1 00:00:03,050 --> 00:00:01,370 well good evening it's good to be back 2 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:03,060 with you again we got Heidi Hollis on 3 00:00:07,039 --> 00:00:05,279 with us and a great guest and actually 4 00:00:08,390 --> 00:00:07,049 two great guests and Paul and Benny know 5 00:00:12,860 --> 00:00:08,400 we're gonna be on with us a little later 6 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:12,870 and Heidi the news the news hasn't let 7 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:16,590 us down this week either it's been a 8 00:00:22,220 --> 00:00:19,800 wild week well of course the most the 9 00:00:25,189 --> 00:00:22,230 one I liked the most was that last 10 00:00:28,759 --> 00:00:25,199 night's what came out of day before but 11 00:00:30,970 --> 00:00:28,769 CBS had a really full disclosure on our 12 00:00:35,350 --> 00:00:30,980 the air force intelligence agent that 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:35,360 spilled the beans on the the ongoing UFO 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:38,370 studies the government was making and 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:41,489 they showed excellent footage on CBS on 16 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:43,890 oh you saw it or not but it was over San 17 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:47,820 Diego and it was yeah baby jet stuff and 18 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:50,010 the guy was saying holy blank blank what 19 00:00:57,950 --> 00:00:54,629 is this thing and obviously what we both 20 00:01:00,229 --> 00:00:57,960 know is that this is you know you know 21 00:01:03,110 --> 00:01:00,239 UFOs are as real as the shoes on your 22 00:01:04,369 --> 00:01:03,120 feet I mean it's not like it's anybody 23 00:01:05,509 --> 00:01:04,379 that says different is pretty gullible 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:05,519 it's what I'm saying 25 00:01:11,899 --> 00:01:08,850 Blair I did a special for UFO headline 26 00:01:15,050 --> 00:01:11,909 news for today reading the New York 27 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:15,060 Times article and give it my my two 28 00:01:19,550 --> 00:01:18,240 cents worth of what was that yeah the 29 00:01:22,219 --> 00:01:19,560 New York Times broke the story then 30 00:01:24,109 --> 00:01:22,229 right so I read the article on UFO 31 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:24,119 headline news and so check it out if you 32 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:27,090 guys want to hear it and my thoughts on 33 00:01:31,999 --> 00:01:30,150 it were you know yay they finally have 34 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:32,009 caved in after so many people have lost 35 00:01:36,020 --> 00:01:33,930 their minds and lives and families and 36 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:36,030 friends because they claim to have seen 37 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:38,790 UFOs or aliens and we're totally dissed 38 00:01:43,990 --> 00:01:41,610 thanks a lot government oh I know what 39 00:01:47,630 --> 00:01:44,000 you're saying but you know actually in 40 00:01:49,940 --> 00:01:47,640 2002 or 2002 or three I'm not sure at 41 00:01:52,370 --> 00:01:49,950 this point but Admiral Peter Hilde 42 00:01:53,539 --> 00:01:52,380 Norton who was the British version of 43 00:01:57,109 --> 00:01:53,549 the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of 44 00:01:58,940 --> 00:01:57,119 Staff their counterpart they asked him 45 00:02:01,520 --> 00:01:58,950 by UFOs and he was straightforward he 46 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:01,530 said yes they exist we don't know what 47 00:02:04,370 --> 00:02:03,090 their deal is or where they're from and 48 00:02:06,469 --> 00:02:04,380 we can't do anything about them but we 49 00:02:08,570 --> 00:02:06,479 know they exist and this guy was 50 00:02:11,970 --> 00:02:08,580 straightforward about it and no like 51 00:02:14,699 --> 00:02:11,980 here again honey this is an admiral and 52 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:14,709 you know on British Navy I mean he's and 53 00:02:18,119 --> 00:02:16,180 the term of their Joint Chiefs of Staff 54 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:18,129 he's not some kind of yo-yo and he's 55 00:02:22,979 --> 00:02:21,250 obviously privy to everything and he 56 00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:22,989 just said it straight out like that you 57 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:25,440 know that all those many years ago so 58 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:27,280 there's no doubt of it 59 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:29,830 but now I just I I was just tickled by 60 00:02:38,610 --> 00:02:37,000 it and now this is a unfortunate but 61 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:38,620 there was another piece they had tonight 62 00:02:46,289 --> 00:02:42,610 on that Tacoma train disaster and no I 63 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:46,299 don't work for CBS but I just I've 64 00:02:52,259 --> 00:02:49,650 always had a love affair with CBS but 65 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:52,269 anyway there was a train disaster and to 66 00:02:56,039 --> 00:02:53,310 call me you've probably heard of that 67 00:02:57,300 --> 00:02:56,049 but how can this monkey be going 80 68 00:02:59,460 --> 00:02:57,310 miles an hour 69 00:03:03,839 --> 00:02:59,470 better than a 30-mile zone how can this 70 00:03:05,490 --> 00:03:03,849 engineer do that I mean a witness made 71 00:03:07,650 --> 00:03:05,500 an interesting statements like gosh I 72 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:07,660 hope they did some dry runs without any 73 00:03:12,089 --> 00:03:09,940 passengers on there before they did this 74 00:03:17,909 --> 00:03:12,099 maiden voyage you know it's like the 75 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:17,919 Titanic Titanic here train rides there 76 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:21,130 you go maiden voyage and Wow 77 00:03:24,690 --> 00:03:23,169 that's just sad you know couple years 78 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:24,700 ago it was either Philly or New York 79 00:03:28,979 --> 00:03:26,260 that the guy did the same thing he's 80 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:28,989 taking the turn about 80 or 90 and he's 81 00:03:35,699 --> 00:03:31,060 supposed to go 30 and he flipped out to 82 00:03:39,270 --> 00:03:35,709 so well did they not see this this how 83 00:03:41,970 --> 00:03:39,280 the train operators I know the speed you 84 00:03:45,750 --> 00:03:41,980 know that's if they don't have like they 85 00:03:48,059 --> 00:03:45,760 do have like computer overlays that show 86 00:03:49,890 --> 00:03:48,069 the ice 30 year 30 there or whatever 87 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:49,900 whatever why they show traumatically 88 00:03:54,150 --> 00:03:52,030 like tell him you know it's like well 89 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:54,160 they they had that equipment oh oh I 90 00:04:00,629 --> 00:03:55,930 know what it was they had that equipment 91 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:00,639 on CBS were that if but they got the 92 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:02,169 case of the cheeps and they didn't want 93 00:04:05,940 --> 00:04:04,209 to update all that equipment with the 94 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:05,950 updated equipment that they were wanting 95 00:04:10,949 --> 00:04:09,010 to have installed yes it would be like a 96 00:04:13,349 --> 00:04:10,959 governor on the train where it would you 97 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:13,359 know click in cuts it back to 30 like 98 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:15,250 it's supposed to be or whatever but they 99 00:04:18,719 --> 00:04:16,810 got a case of the cheap skates and 100 00:04:22,469 --> 00:04:18,729 that's why that equipment wasn't in the 101 00:04:25,090 --> 00:04:22,479 in the mix what did this cost 180 102 00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:25,100 million or something to make between 103 00:04:29,020 --> 00:04:26,960 as a Seattle and Portland or something 104 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:29,030 something crazy and then they didn't 105 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:30,650 want to put that last little safety 106 00:04:35,850 --> 00:04:32,690 thing in there to you know save lives 107 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:35,860 what I know is that nuts or what I know 108 00:04:40,510 --> 00:04:38,450 Heidi they've got governors they've got 109 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:40,520 governors just on commercial trucks do 110 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:42,050 not you know so they want speed and 111 00:04:45,910 --> 00:04:43,610 stuff like that I mean I know a train 112 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:45,920 may be more sophisticated but they did 113 00:04:50,350 --> 00:04:48,530 Tesla trains then to automatically drive 114 00:04:52,570 --> 00:04:50,360 the freaking trains if they don't want 115 00:04:57,790 --> 00:04:52,580 to be responsible engineers driving them 116 00:04:59,890 --> 00:04:57,800 you know just sold a budgeted Tesla 117 00:05:02,470 --> 00:04:59,900 trucks to some ups or somebody's gonna 118 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:02,480 buy like a gazillion Tesla trucks 119 00:05:07,570 --> 00:05:03,650 they're just talking about that on the 120 00:05:09,220 --> 00:05:07,580 news tonight ooh but I don't know but 121 00:05:10,540 --> 00:05:09,230 that was a terrible thing it's obviously 122 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:10,550 like you're saying it's certainly 123 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:16,010 avoidable but uh well now there's a gal 124 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:17,570 that saw it been on Catherine aw 125 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:19,430 Catherine Austin Fitz's her name she's 126 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:21,410 been on coast to coast a lot she's a a 127 00:05:25,570 --> 00:05:24,170 pretty long term guests on coast to 128 00:05:30,190 --> 00:05:25,580 coast she's a pretty good financial 129 00:05:38,620 --> 00:05:30,200 consultant and she was on Infowars today 130 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:38,630 and she brought up how Trump has ordered 131 00:05:44,590 --> 00:05:41,600 an audit to his credit that the 132 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:44,600 Pentagon's lost 21 trillion dollars they 133 00:05:49,450 --> 00:05:47,690 don't know where it went to and this 134 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:49,460 isn't the first time because even if you 135 00:05:54,130 --> 00:05:51,170 remember correctly back years ago and 136 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:54,140 Donald Rumsfeld was Secretary of Defense 137 00:06:00,190 --> 00:05:58,610 and the Bush administration he he said 138 00:06:02,110 --> 00:06:00,200 asked about the two trillion or three 139 00:06:05,500 --> 00:06:02,120 trillion so no no it's missing I don't 140 00:06:06,670 --> 00:06:05,510 know you know like I left my pen here I 141 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:06,680 don't know where it is you know about 142 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:09,130 probably busy investing in building UFOs 143 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:12,920 she's it's crazy okay now that is that 144 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:14,930 is the real truth is who knows how far 145 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:18,050 the you know all this stuff goes and 146 00:06:23,770 --> 00:06:19,580 where it goes and everything else that's 147 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:23,780 really yeah but I don't know but anyhow 148 00:06:28,750 --> 00:06:25,790 the 21 trillions missing in Trump he's 149 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:28,760 trying to find it so at least his credit 150 00:06:34,150 --> 00:06:30,320 he's try to do that and she don't have 151 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:34,160 to applaud if anybody could scrape up a 152 00:06:42,830 --> 00:06:40,610 maybe how many times I was a 21 oh I 153 00:06:45,610 --> 00:06:42,840 know I know but I mean a 21 trillion 154 00:06:49,790 --> 00:06:45,620 that's pretty heavy box you know yeah 155 00:06:51,379 --> 00:06:49,800 now I did send you that photo on my book 156 00:06:53,629 --> 00:06:51,389 of wrath you know sometimes you look 157 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:53,639 past it even though I've got the cover 158 00:06:58,460 --> 00:06:56,370 but I mean on the cover of my book 159 00:07:01,129 --> 00:06:58,470 Marian apparitions are real as a photo 160 00:07:03,830 --> 00:07:01,139 that was taken and mega gory the site of 161 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:03,840 the Marian apparition and it was taken 162 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:07,199 by a associate of the Deacons one of the 163 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:09,210 Deacons wives from my church went with 164 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:11,250 another lady to mention Corey they're 165 00:07:17,180 --> 00:07:15,330 pilgrims there and her companion the 166 00:07:20,330 --> 00:07:17,190 Deacons wife that is the hair companion 167 00:07:23,059 --> 00:07:20,340 I took that photo and there was no image 168 00:07:25,490 --> 00:07:23,069 of the Virgin Mary on the Mount and it 169 00:07:28,189 --> 00:07:25,500 was just a you know historic site and 170 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:28,199 when it was developed yes indeed it did 171 00:07:31,490 --> 00:07:30,210 have an overlay of the vision of the 172 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:31,500 Virgin Mary and anybody that's 173 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:33,030 interested in seeing it contorted Marian 174 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:35,370 apparitions are real on Amazon the image 175 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:38,340 of it and Heidi these are people that 176 00:07:42,860 --> 00:07:41,250 are not making any money they're not 177 00:07:44,270 --> 00:07:42,870 even selling books of course making 178 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:44,280 books don't sell much money anyway 179 00:07:49,249 --> 00:07:46,530 you know what I'm saying well what I'm 180 00:07:50,990 --> 00:07:49,259 saying is that they have no vested 181 00:07:53,029 --> 00:07:51,000 interest in misleading anyone these 182 00:07:54,890 --> 00:07:53,039 people are in the church every time the 183 00:07:56,779 --> 00:07:54,900 doors are open so what I'm saying is if 184 00:07:58,730 --> 00:07:56,789 anybody wants to see a truly miraculous 185 00:08:00,830 --> 00:07:58,740 photo they could go to Marian 186 00:08:03,860 --> 00:08:00,840 apparitions are real and and take a look 187 00:08:05,180 --> 00:08:03,870 at it but it's funny there's a lot of 188 00:08:08,059 --> 00:08:05,190 that running around Heidi there really 189 00:08:11,779 --> 00:08:08,069 is yeah pretty cool yeah I saw that it 190 00:08:13,370 --> 00:08:11,789 was interesting photo wood house how'd 191 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:13,380 you like to do that woman when you saw 192 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:15,210 your photo developed but she hit the 193 00:08:21,830 --> 00:08:18,150 floor like a flounder you know that's 194 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:21,840 that's a it was pretty distinctive oh it 195 00:08:25,879 --> 00:08:24,210 was it was and like I say you know I 196 00:08:27,559 --> 00:08:25,889 don't have a portable lie detector but 197 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:27,569 there's no reason for these people to 198 00:08:32,389 --> 00:08:29,849 lie there just churchy folks and that's 199 00:08:35,540 --> 00:08:32,399 it though you know there's no vested 200 00:08:37,219 --> 00:08:35,550 interest but I don't know we uh we have 201 00:08:38,930 --> 00:08:37,229 a good guest tonight Paul's got a lot of 202 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:38,940 stuff going on up in the wingless and 203 00:08:43,490 --> 00:08:41,700 the the Bridgewater triangle is always 204 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:43,500 an interesting place and he has many 205 00:08:48,910 --> 00:08:45,570 other ongoing sites I want to hear more 206 00:08:52,869 --> 00:08:48,920 about those Doc's sense though I do 207 00:08:55,329 --> 00:08:52,879 I love ghost doggy stories so there you 208 00:08:56,979 --> 00:08:55,339 go just well you know we're just about 209 00:08:58,900 --> 00:08:56,989 ready to go to our first break though 210 00:09:00,910 --> 00:08:58,910 and then we'll have Paul on and then and 211 00:09:05,949 --> 00:09:00,920 have a big old time so we'll be right 212 00:09:07,749 --> 00:09:05,959 back we'll be right back we got Paul and 213 00:09:10,479 --> 00:09:07,759 Benny no on with us and of course 90 214 00:09:12,489 --> 00:09:10,489 houses milling about in the background 215 00:09:14,739 --> 00:09:12,499 there too and yeah ought to be a great 216 00:09:17,139 --> 00:09:14,749 show now for those not familiar with 217 00:09:20,199 --> 00:09:17,149 Paul which I'm sure most of you are but 218 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:20,209 Paul and then have a show and Boston had 219 00:09:27,429 --> 00:09:24,410 for years and behind the paranormal and 220 00:09:31,030 --> 00:09:27,439 it's a Paul is just a hell of an 221 00:09:38,409 --> 00:09:31,040 investigator I mean he really is and 222 00:09:40,419 --> 00:09:38,419 it's good to have you back well haven't 223 00:09:45,129 --> 00:09:40,429 you looked into Paul and then that you 224 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:45,139 would like to question yeah well let's 225 00:09:49,659 --> 00:09:47,929 see there isn't much because we kept 226 00:09:55,119 --> 00:09:49,669 running into all sorts of things 227 00:09:57,549 --> 00:09:55,129 unexpectedly while doing ghost research 228 00:10:00,879 --> 00:09:57,559 if you will that then that applied to me 229 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:00,889 back in the 70s and that's how that's 230 00:10:06,069 --> 00:10:03,110 why we're so broadly based today because 231 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:06,079 then we'd investigate a ghost case and 232 00:10:13,659 --> 00:10:10,790 you'd run into UFOs and if you looked 233 00:10:15,549 --> 00:10:13,669 outside of a house and a family you 234 00:10:23,619 --> 00:10:15,559 would find an entire area affected and 235 00:10:32,049 --> 00:10:23,629 that's our specialty today precisely yes 236 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:32,059 I wonder what form it would be connected 237 00:10:40,259 --> 00:10:35,569 though it seems the spirit I mean well 238 00:10:44,439 --> 00:10:40,269 it does you didn't read our 2016 book 239 00:10:46,569 --> 00:10:44,449 Kevin so he just he doesn't read my book 240 00:10:50,439 --> 00:10:46,579 either so don't feel okay there I don't 241 00:10:51,909 --> 00:10:50,449 feel well essentially you could trace 242 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:51,919 and maybe Ben has some thoughts on this 243 00:10:57,249 --> 00:10:54,289 but you can trace to the same process 244 00:10:58,949 --> 00:10:57,259 being involved same background process 245 00:11:01,920 --> 00:10:58,959 being involved 246 00:11:05,460 --> 00:11:01,930 with all these phenomena and that in our 247 00:11:07,499 --> 00:11:05,470 opinion is the only thing that my 248 00:11:09,749 --> 00:11:07,509 admirer early days would explain the 249 00:11:11,999 --> 00:11:09,759 things I was seeing and that's some 250 00:11:13,619 --> 00:11:12,009 variation on the multiple worlds 251 00:11:15,509 --> 00:11:13,629 interpretation of quantum mechanics 252 00:11:18,179 --> 00:11:15,519 which is an accepted theory in physics 253 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:18,189 and some would say it's not a theory 254 00:11:21,540 --> 00:11:19,569 anymore because people are building 255 00:11:25,169 --> 00:11:21,550 quantum computers they're actually using 256 00:11:27,389 --> 00:11:25,179 it yeah and what it says is that we are 257 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:27,399 what you see is not what you get all 258 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:30,610 around us there are perhaps an infinite 259 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:32,490 number depending on you talk to of 260 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:36,970 parallel worlds most entirely physical 261 00:11:41,369 --> 00:11:38,649 like ourselves other versions of 262 00:11:43,109 --> 00:11:41,379 ourselves all in it's an open system 263 00:11:44,549 --> 00:11:43,119 it's not like you you know Hollywood 264 00:11:46,079 --> 00:11:44,559 never gets it right anyway but they used 265 00:11:48,629 --> 00:11:46,089 to have a show called quantum leap and 266 00:11:50,429 --> 00:11:48,639 you I never really watched there's 267 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:50,439 something really being off one world to 268 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:51,610 another that's not really how it works 269 00:11:56,309 --> 00:11:54,490 they seem to blend and some of them have 270 00:11:59,309 --> 00:11:56,319 different laws of physics which makes it 271 00:12:01,889 --> 00:11:59,319 interesting and can explain why yeah I 272 00:12:03,329 --> 00:12:01,899 stood there in 1974 with first 273 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:03,339 responders all around me watched a 274 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:06,550 refridgerator float thinking 300 pounds 275 00:12:11,220 --> 00:12:09,220 so that would explain quite readily 276 00:12:12,869 --> 00:12:11,230 really all areas of the paranormal if 277 00:12:15,059 --> 00:12:12,879 you look at it from that point of view 278 00:12:17,009 --> 00:12:15,069 maybe we're wrong but but that's the 279 00:12:19,860 --> 00:12:17,019 theory we I've gone on for the last 40 280 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:19,870 years and been of course had no choice 281 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:22,649 he grew up with me and obviously he 282 00:12:27,629 --> 00:12:24,970 listened to every lecture lecture since 283 00:12:30,269 --> 00:12:27,639 he was 10 and he can take it from there 284 00:12:32,850 --> 00:12:30,279 well I mean I suppose I think I think we 285 00:12:35,869 --> 00:12:32,860 can't neglect perspective perspective 286 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:35,879 isn't is an incredibly important tool 287 00:12:40,710 --> 00:12:38,410 because it's almost you know 90% of the 288 00:12:42,780 --> 00:12:40,720 time incorrect so I mean how we 289 00:12:45,689 --> 00:12:42,790 interpret the world around us is really 290 00:12:47,939 --> 00:12:45,699 how the phenomena is experienced for 291 00:12:49,619 --> 00:12:47,949 example she's like I never named name 292 00:12:51,809 --> 00:12:49,629 the case of stuff in my head but there's 293 00:12:52,860 --> 00:12:51,819 some some haunted bar or whatever and 294 00:12:54,749 --> 00:12:52,870 like the end of the basement people 295 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:54,759 would see this woman so they sent in a 296 00:12:58,530 --> 00:12:56,649 couple different people one person saw 297 00:13:01,019 --> 00:12:58,540 just a floating ball one person saw a 298 00:13:02,999 --> 00:13:01,029 woman in a dress and one person saw like 299 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:03,009 you know wispy kind of figure you know 300 00:13:07,379 --> 00:13:04,569 what you bring to the experience is what 301 00:13:09,329 --> 00:13:07,389 you get out of it this is what we've 302 00:13:11,579 --> 00:13:09,339 found so I mean if you go into a place 303 00:13:12,329 --> 00:13:11,589 expecting dead people of course you're 304 00:13:14,309 --> 00:13:12,339 gonna you're gonna 305 00:13:17,489 --> 00:13:14,319 you know what you what you think to be 306 00:13:19,049 --> 00:13:17,499 dead people you know like you get EVPs 307 00:13:20,699 --> 00:13:19,059 of stuff like you know people like oh 308 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:20,709 I'm from the 1700s but it's like they 309 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:22,420 don't talk anything like someone from 310 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:27,100 the 1700s can our eyeballs be truly like 311 00:13:32,759 --> 00:13:30,160 I don't know our filters to sing these 312 00:13:35,129 --> 00:13:32,769 things a certain way I mean like they 313 00:13:38,129 --> 00:13:35,139 have I scans and all these sci-fi movies 314 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:38,139 because each eyeball is differently it's 315 00:13:44,329 --> 00:13:41,769 like a fingerprint so is it yeah is it 316 00:13:47,809 --> 00:13:44,339 potentially that we're literally 317 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:47,819 interpreting through a filter that is 318 00:13:53,189 --> 00:13:50,649 individually different so I mean it's 319 00:13:54,540 --> 00:13:53,199 just natural to you know be able to see 320 00:13:58,799 --> 00:13:54,550 something clearer than the next person 321 00:13:59,759 --> 00:13:58,809 or not well the eye is connected to the 322 00:14:07,400 --> 00:13:59,769 brain yes 323 00:14:09,689 --> 00:14:07,410 so first some worry we are now not to 324 00:14:11,549 --> 00:14:09,699 interpret what we see flying in the sky 325 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:11,559 because we are not credible witnesses 326 00:14:17,489 --> 00:14:14,680 you know oh yeah well so the human the 327 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:17,499 human brain you know is I don't want to 328 00:14:20,249 --> 00:14:18,639 say a computer because that's too 329 00:14:22,650 --> 00:14:20,259 materialistic you know it takes what we 330 00:14:23,699 --> 00:14:22,660 see in process is that so I mean there's 331 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:23,709 sort of there's such a thing as 332 00:14:26,910 --> 00:14:25,569 pareidolia where you see something and 333 00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:26,920 that doesn't make sense to your brain 334 00:14:31,169 --> 00:14:28,480 automatically make sense of it but 335 00:14:33,059 --> 00:14:31,179 there's also a really a really fun thing 336 00:14:34,769 --> 00:14:33,069 that I learned from it from a good 337 00:14:41,059 --> 00:14:34,779 colleague of a good friend and colleague 338 00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:41,069 of ours which on and eke it and eke it 339 00:14:48,509 --> 00:14:43,720 was it was explaining to us he's getting 340 00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:48,519 his PhD in psycho visuals I believe is 341 00:14:51,929 --> 00:14:50,079 the term which is essentially like you 342 00:14:54,419 --> 00:14:51,939 know the the psychology of vision and 343 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:54,429 how we see things oh so he could get a 344 00:15:02,160 --> 00:14:56,889 degree that's credible but not entirely 345 00:15:04,590 --> 00:15:02,170 in like some in the paranormal realm but 346 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:04,600 he still applies it to that so he's he 347 00:15:07,079 --> 00:15:05,649 brought up something really interesting 348 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:07,089 which I never really thought of and he's 349 00:15:12,509 --> 00:15:09,220 like you know the human the human eye 350 00:15:16,049 --> 00:15:12,519 can only perceive so much you know I 351 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:16,059 didn't know like as long as the farthest 352 00:15:19,739 --> 00:15:17,410 you can hold out your arms and put your 353 00:15:22,199 --> 00:15:19,749 thumbs up that's as far as you can 354 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:22,209 perceive depth with like any real 355 00:15:26,220 --> 00:15:24,730 precision so depth perception like true 356 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:26,230 depth perception is 357 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:29,170 available to 20% of the population so 358 00:15:32,220 --> 00:15:31,450 the other 80% does not have true depth 359 00:15:34,650 --> 00:15:32,230 perception 360 00:15:36,540 --> 00:15:34,660 wowthat's i really surprised that you 361 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:36,550 would say that about your fellow men 362 00:15:41,550 --> 00:15:39,070 because us ladies always suspect that 363 00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:41,560 men have a different view on e ways but 364 00:15:48,570 --> 00:15:46,870 there are more than you know know I've 365 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:48,580 experienced that because even on a more 366 00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:51,730 mundane level I I'm one of the 10% of 367 00:15:57,150 --> 00:15:55,120 guys that can see colors and that's why 368 00:15:58,770 --> 00:15:57,160 you know I used to read I violin leather 369 00:16:02,430 --> 00:15:58,780 and stuff like that because I could mix 370 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:02,440 colors by eye and women can do it 371 00:16:08,370 --> 00:16:05,440 readily but very few guys can do 372 00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:08,380 anything that our brain does these does 373 00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,000 these things and deals with such 374 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,680 patterns that when we deal with 375 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:13,120 something that's outside of the patterns 376 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:15,250 that we normally have to normally 377 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:17,710 interact with of course you know things 378 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:19,330 will get interpreted in different ways 379 00:16:23,070 --> 00:16:21,370 and you know experienced in different 380 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:23,080 ways especially if you're just dealing 381 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:25,360 with you know the five the five senses 382 00:16:29,070 --> 00:16:27,310 you know empirical reasoning is kind of 383 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:29,080 on the outs at this point because 384 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:30,400 sometimes there are things that exist 385 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:32,410 that you can't see hear smell touch or 386 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:35,530 taste right exactly exactly that's true 387 00:16:40,460 --> 00:16:37,090 you know Paul one of the things I found 388 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:40,470 that was strange I guess have only one 389 00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:43,270 well what a yeah I know but within my 390 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:46,000 little realm of interest is of course I 391 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:47,470 got a lot of interest yeah but I mean my 392 00:16:53,130 --> 00:16:50,290 specific interest is there's a picture 393 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:53,140 of the Virgin Mary in Museum in Italy 394 00:16:59,400 --> 00:16:56,020 and in the upper right hand corner 395 00:17:01,860 --> 00:16:59,410 there's a UFO it's and it's been in 396 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:01,870 constant custody of the church for 500 397 00:17:07,470 --> 00:17:03,610 Armeen of that museum rather for 500 398 00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:07,480 years yeah for 40 shows or comic strips 399 00:17:14,670 --> 00:17:11,470 or you know ya know the one you mean I I 400 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:14,680 think well I think you you have to be 401 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:16,330 familiar with the art motifs of the 402 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:19,930 period very often in the Renaissance 403 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:21,730 they would interpret ancient art 404 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:24,490 correctly or incorrectly and very often 405 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:28,090 that there is a the star would be 406 00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:30,850 depicted with someone driving it now I'm 407 00:17:36,990 --> 00:17:33,700 not saying not to be a killjoy here but 408 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:37,000 I mean I mean that's one possibility 409 00:17:40,330 --> 00:17:39,250 oh yeah but then you know you go back to 410 00:17:42,490 --> 00:17:40,340 people like Akhenaten 411 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,500 Amenhotep the fourth of Egypt who had 412 00:17:45,490 --> 00:17:44,240 this experience with a disc in the sky 413 00:17:47,649 --> 00:17:45,500 and all of a sudden changed all you 414 00:17:49,180 --> 00:17:47,659 through it through all the ancient gods 415 00:17:51,659 --> 00:17:49,190 the heck out of the temples that he just 416 00:17:54,850 --> 00:17:51,669 everybody had to worship this this disc 417 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,860 so you know you don't know what the 418 00:17:58,810 --> 00:17:56,240 origins of these are but they are 419 00:18:00,039 --> 00:17:58,820 suspicious so that I think the painting 420 00:18:02,289 --> 00:18:00,049 you refer to is just it's just a 421 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:02,299 suspicious well that could it be but 422 00:18:08,260 --> 00:18:05,510 there was one I saw Karen Dolan Richard 423 00:18:10,299 --> 00:18:08,270 Dolan's ex-wife she had a thing up at 424 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:10,309 the Arkansas UFO festival a few years 425 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:12,140 back ask you've been quite a few years 426 00:18:18,700 --> 00:18:15,110 back now seven or eight nine but what it 427 00:18:20,350 --> 00:18:18,710 was was she had a little slide 428 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:20,360 presentation that there was an pyrenees 429 00:18:25,180 --> 00:18:22,820 mountains in france they had what looked 430 00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:25,190 like an exact copy of the george jetson 431 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:28,909 he looked in vehicles that you know from 432 00:18:37,529 --> 00:18:33,289 the old comic show yeah I mean exactly 433 00:18:39,639 --> 00:18:37,539 and they were carbon dated to 6,000 BC 434 00:18:41,500 --> 00:18:39,649 well what were they carved on that they 435 00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:41,510 could be carbon-dated that has to be it 436 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:44,630 can't be rock has to be organic it was 437 00:18:48,190 --> 00:18:46,610 painted some some form of paintings okay 438 00:18:50,409 --> 00:18:48,200 okay well the paint was organic yeah you 439 00:18:52,389 --> 00:18:50,419 could do that yeah but I mean it I mean 440 00:18:54,010 --> 00:18:52,399 it was mind-blowing because I mean it 441 00:18:58,180 --> 00:18:54,020 would look just like the George Jetson 442 00:18:59,649 --> 00:18:58,190 looking veto they said yeah yeah well we 443 00:19:02,049 --> 00:18:59,659 show in our lectures all sorts of things 444 00:19:05,260 --> 00:19:02,059 like that from from and it is difficult 445 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:05,270 to explain them away in any other any 446 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:06,289 other way 447 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:08,330 and Ivan Daniken just came out with a 448 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:10,130 new book the gods are still with us 449 00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:13,370 because we're hopefully have him on our 450 00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:24,980 show about that but we're all getting in 451 00:19:28,930 --> 00:19:27,440 line to book him for this but I mean I 452 00:19:31,330 --> 00:19:28,940 can't have a love love/hate relationship 453 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:31,340 with him I mean he's no prize but I 454 00:19:36,039 --> 00:19:33,250 think he stumbled onto something that 455 00:19:37,180 --> 00:19:36,049 was very important you know he's not the 456 00:19:39,639 --> 00:19:37,190 first to come up with the idea that 457 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:39,649 ancient gods were actually alien 458 00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:42,289 visitors I think that's far too narrow a 459 00:19:47,010 --> 00:19:45,110 a possibility I think it could be 460 00:19:50,169 --> 00:19:47,020 something a lot more than that but but 461 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:50,179 we'll see what he has to say I just got 462 00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:51,320 the book haven't had a chance to read it 463 00:19:53,889 --> 00:19:51,710 yet 464 00:19:54,290 --> 00:19:53,899 I thought he'd go met his maker a long 465 00:20:02,030 --> 00:19:54,300 time 466 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:02,040 go yep he's good with the 65 million 467 00:20:12,530 --> 00:20:09,260 because as I'm trying to arrange the 468 00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:12,540 time zone with him the difference we 469 00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,740 take it over the full report show yes if 470 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:18,720 I have my news oh I didn't know that 471 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:22,130 congratulations Heidi yes thank you 472 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:24,330 interesting let me tell you I vented 473 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:26,910 today about that New York Times article 474 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:30,810 because it's it's just I mean I don't 475 00:20:34,790 --> 00:20:33,210 know I I have I know that you guys have 476 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:34,800 been on this for a long time too and I 477 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:37,080 know you've met a lot of people that 478 00:20:41,060 --> 00:20:40,170 have really gone over the edge because 479 00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:41,070 of some the things that they've 480 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:43,350 experienced in regards to UFOs and 481 00:20:48,890 --> 00:20:45,930 aliens and go to therapists find they 482 00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:48,900 have PTSD and and they're never the same 483 00:20:53,330 --> 00:20:50,940 they lose their wives they lose their 484 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:53,340 jobs some commit suicide and it's like 485 00:20:59,390 --> 00:20:56,280 oh and mr. Harry Reid whose buddies with 486 00:21:01,760 --> 00:20:59,400 Bigelow it's just you know let's make 487 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:01,770 this as covert as we possibly can and 488 00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:03,720 steal 22 million dollars I'm sorry 489 00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:06,840 dedicate 22 million dollars to keeping 490 00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:10,020 this highly secret and you know you know 491 00:21:17,870 --> 00:21:15,120 it goes deeper than that but what about 492 00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:17,880 things and it's like you know it like 493 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:19,980 it's no big thing and yeah so we're 494 00:21:24,530 --> 00:21:22,200 doing this it's like you know what a lot 495 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:24,540 of people have suffered for a long time 496 00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:27,090 and they said where's the panic that 497 00:21:30,860 --> 00:21:29,460 they said we would be all under I would 498 00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:30,870 like to know where the panic is in the 499 00:21:34,910 --> 00:21:32,460 streets because they said if they ever 500 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:34,920 came forward and said UFOs are real this 501 00:21:38,420 --> 00:21:36,930 is probably why they won't tell us and 502 00:21:40,910 --> 00:21:38,430 like you know people in the government 503 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,920 are able to handle this information well 504 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:42,960 they just said aliens are real 505 00:21:47,630 --> 00:21:45,090 essentially and I you know people are 506 00:21:49,340 --> 00:21:47,640 still walking with two legs they're not 507 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:49,350 pulling their hair out there are a lot 508 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:50,820 of assumptions and what you just said 509 00:21:57,260 --> 00:21:54,750 there Heidi well if you look at some 510 00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:57,270 well first of all I tend because this 511 00:22:02,480 --> 00:21:59,010 always we speak at a lot of UFO 512 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:02,490 conferences ironically they were not too 513 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:04,050 well like that 514 00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:06,450 the ghost conferences because we were 515 00:22:10,919 --> 00:22:08,200 bad for business we questioned there 516 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:10,929 theories but beautiful people tend to be 517 00:22:16,259 --> 00:22:14,230 more open it's what we have to say and 518 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:16,269 one of those things is I can't speak for 519 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:19,090 Ben but I tend to be a client a climate 520 00:22:26,580 --> 00:22:21,970 skeptic no not a climb is a disclosure 521 00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:26,590 skeptic because I mean first of all I 522 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:29,230 mean how naive are we anyway who 523 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:31,510 believes the government we do really 524 00:22:36,269 --> 00:22:34,330 think they're gonna come out and tell 525 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:36,279 the whole truth nothing but the truth 526 00:22:42,269 --> 00:22:40,570 no no I mean I can't you know I 527 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:42,279 yeah and Kevin you and I are both 528 00:22:45,930 --> 00:22:44,830 veterans and I think we had a Noddy 529 00:22:47,730 --> 00:22:45,940 acquaintance with the intelligence 530 00:22:50,190 --> 00:22:47,740 community and it's just is that how it 531 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:50,200 works they have some agenda and Harry 532 00:22:55,019 --> 00:22:52,090 Reid or no and he's no prize either but 533 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:55,029 I mean anything and Kevin will back me 534 00:23:00,029 --> 00:22:57,370 up on this anything that's in the sky 535 00:23:03,379 --> 00:23:00,039 that is not known is a potential threat 536 00:23:06,810 --> 00:23:03,389 and they're going to look at it you know 537 00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,820 as far as I think that there's 538 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:08,799 misdirection here as always 539 00:23:14,629 --> 00:23:11,049 because yeah okay they're throwing a 540 00:23:17,789 --> 00:23:14,639 bone to the naive UFO community perhaps 541 00:23:19,289 --> 00:23:17,799 our our opinion if it's very strong 542 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:19,299 opinion I know Ben agrees with me on 543 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:23,260 this is that the reason things are kept 544 00:23:27,870 --> 00:23:25,750 secret is because we're dealing with 545 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:27,880 what we've already brought up this 546 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:30,970 multi-verse thing I don't we all grew up 547 00:23:37,500 --> 00:23:34,690 with mr. Spock and the Klingons and the 548 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:37,510 Apes and whatever yeah you know so if 549 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:39,850 they're yeah I think people would be 550 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,380 okay with this thing people are ready 551 00:23:44,730 --> 00:23:43,360 for the idea of alien life I mean I 552 00:23:46,529 --> 00:23:44,740 don't think anybody any intelligent 553 00:23:48,659 --> 00:23:46,539 person can really deny it anymore just 554 00:23:50,009 --> 00:23:48,669 what we've seen with the size we've 555 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:50,019 gotten a sense of the size of the 556 00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:51,250 universe and so they're not really 557 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:52,260 awesome of course 558 00:23:58,139 --> 00:23:56,080 however it's fine if they're far away on 559 00:23:59,789 --> 00:23:58,149 some other planet or even visiting now 560 00:24:02,580 --> 00:23:59,799 and then but you know go home later you 561 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:02,590 know I I don't think that's really what 562 00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:05,350 it is I think that the big secret is 563 00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,480 actually that these things are not far 564 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:09,039 away they're right next to us in 565 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:10,990 parallel worlds all the time our 566 00:24:16,139 --> 00:24:13,830 greatest dreams and our worst nightmares 567 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:16,149 not to make it oh not to oversimplify 568 00:24:20,050 --> 00:24:18,370 but I think that's the big that would 569 00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:20,060 send society over the edge 570 00:24:24,550 --> 00:24:22,670 oh they definitely are not going to 571 00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:24,560 fully disclose that that's for certain 572 00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,820 but I am even when I was reviewing it 573 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:30,320 it's like I think I gave a two finger 574 00:24:37,090 --> 00:24:34,580 clap because that was just nothing yeah 575 00:24:40,210 --> 00:24:37,100 for what they stood for well this has 576 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:40,220 been going on since 1999 at least and 577 00:24:43,210 --> 00:24:41,450 I'll probably weigh before that with the 578 00:24:44,980 --> 00:24:43,220 military I mean there are stories going 579 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:44,990 back to the Civil War or before it's 580 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:47,150 just in this country never mind the 581 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:48,770 Egyptians or the Romans and everybody 582 00:24:52,540 --> 00:24:50,810 else out there yeah I've had UFO 583 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:52,550 experiences you know so this is nothing 584 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:56,150 new bit Ben's mom she keeps our feet on 585 00:25:00,370 --> 00:24:58,250 the ground ever the practical lady said 586 00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,380 as she saw the video that it's a from 587 00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:02,480 CBS's you know that looks like a fly on 588 00:25:08,290 --> 00:25:06,140 the windshield yeah I don't need a run 589 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:08,300 coming to our bottom of the hour break 590 00:25:19,690 --> 00:25:17,200 and I don't know I guess I guess what 591 00:25:21,010 --> 00:25:19,700 you're saying was very intriguing I 592 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:21,020 never really thought about it that way 593 00:25:25,810 --> 00:25:23,690 but to think about the multiverse aspect 594 00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:25,820 of overlap of dimensionality and all 595 00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,190 this would be far more unsettling than 596 00:25:31,660 --> 00:25:29,840 some alien that might visit you from 597 00:25:34,620 --> 00:25:31,670 Saturn or something out on that or 598 00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:34,630 whatever some that's our opinion anyway 599 00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:37,430 well it sounds a tree yeah it could be 600 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:42,590 but that's why it is it is but then you 601 00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:44,330 know there's so many like you're saying 602 00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:46,550 that you know the historical aspects 603 00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:48,680 like Christopher Columbus when he came 604 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:50,660 over here saw all kinds of oddball stuff 605 00:25:54,910 --> 00:25:52,310 for the Bermuda Triangle at that time 606 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:54,920 and you know he was a veteran a mariner 607 00:26:00,220 --> 00:25:56,330 and all that I mean they knew what was 608 00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:00,230 an anomaly and what wasn't and I think I 609 00:26:03,820 --> 00:26:02,270 think if I remember correctly for it was 610 00:26:05,260 --> 00:26:03,830 a counter to the unexplained at his show 611 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:05,270 on that day it was like there was look 612 00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,970 luminous submarines that were shadowing 613 00:26:12,370 --> 00:26:10,880 his boats or something like that so you 614 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:12,380 know welcome to Bermuda Triangle 615 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:14,510 Europeans or something yeah well there's 616 00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:16,250 phosphorescence in the water down there 617 00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:17,540 I mean I was down there in the Coast 618 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:19,720 Guard and one time I was on the bridge 619 00:26:26,140 --> 00:26:23,890 on the bridge and the the compass 620 00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:26,150 started to just go round and round is 621 00:26:32,850 --> 00:26:29,180 there a major heavy-duty military grade 622 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:32,860 ships compass right and 623 00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:35,530 people who hadn't been there that the 624 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:37,240 quartermaster called out to the captain 625 00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:38,530 who happened to be on the bridge - and 626 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:41,110 he said Oh captain Luther he said and 627 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:42,700 the captain very common just that it'll 628 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:44,410 be over in a minute don't worry about it 629 00:26:49,980 --> 00:26:47,710 so that's a minute or two with a u.s. 630 00:26:53,250 --> 00:26:49,990 warship with no navigation but it did 631 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:53,260 end oh so you know there was one that 632 00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:56,170 was very freaky this guy that was a you 633 00:27:01,289 --> 00:26:59,170 know he's a retired I don't think he's a 634 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:01,299 navy chief and I'm thinking you got 635 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:03,490 bumped that in grade but and he had this 636 00:27:07,980 --> 00:27:06,490 the last time thing yeah yeah yeah but 637 00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:07,990 but still he was a nice enough guy and 638 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:10,540 he he was petty officer of the watch at 639 00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:12,850 one time on a carrier so he wasn't that 640 00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:17,830 bad but but what it was was the boat was 641 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:22,630 making a you know relocating from Corpus 642 00:27:29,250 --> 00:27:25,650 Christi to Pensacola I think it was and 643 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:29,260 is crossing the Gulf in any case and in 644 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:31,450 the context of making that crossing 645 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:34,450 there's about 300 guys that saw the 646 00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,450 outlines of a ship in the horizon and 647 00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:40,559 the the radar picked up like you know 648 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:43,240 different other commercial boats and 649 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:45,490 stuff like that but it what this outline 650 00:27:51,419 --> 00:27:48,370 of the ship was not picked up on the 651 00:27:52,890 --> 00:27:51,429 Navy's radar and of course you know it 652 00:27:54,419 --> 00:27:52,900 was such a big deal for anything get 653 00:27:55,890 --> 00:27:54,429 close to a carrier that you know even 654 00:27:57,180 --> 00:27:55,900 the Pentagon was interested in what the 655 00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:57,190 heck's going on down there and all this 656 00:28:04,169 --> 00:28:01,120 but every 300 guys saw what was not even 657 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,179 supposed to exist on radar the 658 00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:06,880 silhouette of it and it was 659 00:28:11,010 --> 00:28:08,200 mind-boggling to that day and they were 660 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:11,020 basically told to shut up about yeah 661 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:12,820 well better than I've been looking 662 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:15,010 lately into a phenomenon known as the 663 00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:17,830 boo gyre anomaly okay it's it's a well 664 00:28:22,530 --> 00:28:20,140 known gravitational anomaly as a matter 665 00:28:24,539 --> 00:28:22,540 of fact geologists and engineers use it 666 00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:24,549 to look for oil and gas deposits and 667 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:28,480 that's how it came up in areas where you 668 00:28:34,919 --> 00:28:30,510 would have things like the Mothman 669 00:28:37,289 --> 00:28:34,929 phenomena going on and what it is it's a 670 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:37,299 gravitational anomaly whereas well you'd 671 00:28:40,049 --> 00:28:38,770 think when you get closer to the center 672 00:28:41,159 --> 00:28:40,059 of the earth the gravity would increase 673 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:41,169 right well it's not always the case 674 00:28:44,980 --> 00:28:43,570 where this anomaly is present and it 675 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:44,990 depends on the kind of rock 676 00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:47,450 you know you go down say into River 677 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:51,200 Valley and you get lighter now you put 678 00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:52,130 two and two together what are the 679 00:28:57,250 --> 00:28:54,500 Einsteins say that gravity does it bends 680 00:29:00,100 --> 00:28:57,260 space and time but you thought the same 681 00:29:02,740 --> 00:29:00,110 yeah right so we're looking and then 682 00:29:05,919 --> 00:29:02,750 that what where are the blue J are 683 00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:05,929 anomalies most strong and prominent and 684 00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:07,400 where to the paranormal things take 685 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:10,280 place so far it's a complete bullseye 686 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:13,130 you have the roam trough as it's known 687 00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:14,890 to geologists running from northern 688 00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:17,720 north of Pittsburgh all the way down 689 00:29:21,370 --> 00:29:19,309 through the Ohio Valley all the way into 690 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:21,380 Kentucky and what have you got along 691 00:29:24,790 --> 00:29:23,210 that line you've got the the 692 00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:24,800 Pennsylvania triangle one of our biggest 693 00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:27,100 cases right now down through oh yeah 694 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:29,900 yeah you've got the moth hole Mothman 695 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:32,090 area from the 1960s the whole Ohio 696 00:29:36,580 --> 00:29:34,490 Valley all the way down into Kentucky 697 00:29:41,290 --> 00:29:36,590 2-1 we're just getting into which is the 698 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:41,300 the Panther Rock Kentucky area triangle 699 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:43,970 so it's and in Connecticut the 700 00:29:46,410 --> 00:29:46,010 Litchfield triangle right smack in the 701 00:29:49,090 --> 00:29:46,420 middle 702 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:49,100 Torrington Litchfield and Goshen is the 703 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:50,390 strongest blue sure anomaly in 704 00:30:00,330 --> 00:29:52,070 Connecticut so maybe it's a coincidence 705 00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:03,549 we have a giant bat man-like creature 706 00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:06,860 just flap it around screeching freaking 707 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:09,230 people out and he's huge we managed to 708 00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:11,510 squeeze that at the last minute into our 709 00:30:16,390 --> 00:30:13,940 latest book which is about Krypton's and 710 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:16,400 the whole Mothman chapter we managed to 711 00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:17,809 squeeze that and just before with the 712 00:30:23,049 --> 00:30:20,780 press so what did it come out when did 713 00:30:24,790 --> 00:30:23,059 it come out that came out July is the 714 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:24,800 second and the behind the paranormal 715 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:28,910 yeah okay but now you mentioned in that 716 00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:35,690 book about the Chicago Mothman yeah one 717 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:37,100 last time I was seen out there hiding 718 00:30:43,090 --> 00:30:39,650 you I'm not sure when the very last one 719 00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,100 was seen but it's there seems to be a 720 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:45,200 good hangout spot that this thing likes 721 00:30:52,419 --> 00:30:47,860 to be yeah which is on Lake Shore Drive 722 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:52,429 underneath a bridge there near Navy Pier 723 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:53,330 mm-hmm 724 00:30:57,310 --> 00:30:55,280 there's been at least two sightings that 725 00:30:58,540 --> 00:30:57,320 I came across that they've spotted him 726 00:31:00,460 --> 00:30:58,550 under there 727 00:31:02,500 --> 00:31:00,470 only to have them flap out from 728 00:31:05,050 --> 00:31:02,510 underneath there and freak people out 729 00:31:08,580 --> 00:31:05,060 imagine driving a lot I or something 730 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:08,590 yeah yeah yeah and there's a 731 00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:10,910 neighborhood called little village over 732 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:14,480 here that's a predominantly Hispanic 733 00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:18,530 area and I mean they hear him shriek 734 00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:21,110 they see him standing upright they think 735 00:31:26,530 --> 00:31:23,750 it's a man and he just jumps up and 736 00:31:29,950 --> 00:31:26,540 flies off maybe just freaking people out 737 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:29,960 okay that's right we better investigate 738 00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,950 gonna say one thing then and I always 739 00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,480 point out is that you know we wonder if 740 00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:47,120 the labels we place on things are really 741 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:49,580 accurate I understand Heidi that two of 742 00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:51,050 these creatures have been seen at the 743 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:54,350 same time on occasion yes I have heard 744 00:31:58,780 --> 00:31:56,690 that okay so whether there's just a one 745 00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:58,790 Mothman I mean you need a breeding 746 00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:00,770 population or at least 500 over a 747 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:03,230 certain area you need a mate yep yeah 748 00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,290 and if this is a biological creature in 749 00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:08,000 the normal sense of the word you know 750 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,140 and if we've got a thin area a thin 751 00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:14,000 place as Native Americans would say 752 00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:16,160 where the boundaries of these parallel 753 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:17,480 worlds you know if that theory is 754 00:32:22,090 --> 00:32:19,730 correct our thin these things are coming 755 00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:22,100 and going and we've run into a lot of 756 00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:24,760 creatures and entities that come and go 757 00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:28,400 when they are able in order to eat okay 758 00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:30,440 the whole parasite thing at least 759 00:32:34,660 --> 00:32:33,140 according to our Terms maybe this is the 760 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:34,670 something that's going and it may not be 761 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:37,400 the same creature that was seen in the 762 00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:39,410 Ohio Valley in the 1960s it could be 763 00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:42,460 just some of some other species or or 764 00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:44,780 denizen of a parallel where or whatever 765 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:47,000 I mean anything is possible but the bad 766 00:32:55,450 --> 00:32:49,010 creatures from Superman's Phantom Zone 767 00:32:56,980 --> 00:32:55,460 have finally escaped with Zod that's the 768 00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:56,990 whole point of the multiverse anything 769 00:33:01,450 --> 00:32:59,090 that you can possibly conceive you can 770 00:33:03,010 --> 00:33:01,460 conceive it because it exists somewhere 771 00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:03,020 is somewhere in the multiverse and you 772 00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:05,270 have a certain presence throughout this 773 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:06,470 thing because it's one great big 774 00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:08,930 consciousness in a sense you know after 775 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:10,580 all the things that you both have 776 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:11,030 witness 777 00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:13,820 I have seen a lot of really bizarre 778 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:17,510 things myself and I don't I don't 779 00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:19,610 question much and you know a lot of 780 00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,380 people say oh well you got to put more 781 00:33:25,330 --> 00:33:23,360 of a filter and it's like you know when 782 00:33:27,310 --> 00:33:25,340 I've experienced it for myself with my 783 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:27,320 own freaking eyeballs that I trust to 784 00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:31,280 drive me everywhere I go yeah yeah I'm 785 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,560 not gonna question that yeah sometimes 786 00:33:37,630 --> 00:33:35,840 people are a little bit wacky doodle but 787 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:37,640 you can pretty much spot those people 788 00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:40,310 out really easily and they're not 789 00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:42,110 looking for for glory you know yeah and 790 00:33:48,250 --> 00:33:46,000 it's just if if people could just assess 791 00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:48,260 some of these stories I their whole 792 00:33:53,890 --> 00:33:51,020 world would expand if there is like one 793 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:53,900 reality that you guys have witnessed and 794 00:33:57,250 --> 00:33:55,610 that you wish people really got and 795 00:34:02,940 --> 00:33:57,260 really understood and really believed 796 00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:06,970 Wow that's an amazing question you know 797 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:11,470 I really don't know I think I think I 798 00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:13,970 think our consciousness is sort of 799 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:17,110 bigger than all that I think being 800 00:34:24,850 --> 00:34:21,530 what's how to put it I think being 801 00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:24,860 conscious of other consciousnesses is 802 00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:27,550 the conscious thing to do 803 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:31,460 by that by that I mean I think it's kind 804 00:34:36,340 --> 00:34:32,450 of impossible 805 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:36,350 and I think it's also possible at the 806 00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,610 same time the whole thing with the 807 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:39,679 multiverse is it's a giant paradox 808 00:34:44,110 --> 00:34:41,690 so things that don't seem to make sense 809 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:44,120 also make sense it's much like 810 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:49,280 Wonderland in that way thank you and 811 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:50,690 it's in its own way that it's just 812 00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:54,050 filled with paradoxes like for example 813 00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:56,600 when I was a teenager and I would ask 814 00:35:00,040 --> 00:34:58,520 ask my father questions you like well 815 00:35:01,870 --> 00:35:00,050 the multiverse somewhere that's true and 816 00:35:05,860 --> 00:35:01,880 I'm like that's not it's not what I need 817 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:05,870 dad the concrete answers but there are 818 00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:07,850 no concrete answers that's the thing you 819 00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:09,950 know I don't want to there are cut 820 00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:11,480 that's not true there are concrete 821 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:13,220 answers there's a lot of subjectivity 822 00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:16,010 out there also so I think there is 823 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:22,940 another another paradox sodded a 824 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:24,770 gruesome place like Chicago would be 825 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:27,890 pestered practice evil eiffel fly 826 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:30,290 increases I mean yeah if it's if it's 827 00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:32,090 parasitical it feeds on the negativity 828 00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:34,100 it's not the first time that something 829 00:35:46,330 --> 00:35:39,500 weighs or blows apt in Chicago lake 830 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:46,340 monster's gonna start bellowing up yeah 831 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:48,050 well you know notice it doesn't happen 832 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:49,540 in New York or anything like that 833 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:54,410 everybody's too busy to notice but one 834 00:36:01,660 --> 00:35:56,810 of the issues is that excuse me 835 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:01,670 the young negativity of course that we 836 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:03,530 have you know just in the word and these 837 00:36:09,580 --> 00:36:06,290 things seem to feed upon it there's a 838 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:09,590 very chilling possibility that we have 839 00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:11,300 looked at and that we don't talk about 840 00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:12,830 it a lot because it's so chilling and 841 00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:15,400 maybe this is one of the horrifying 842 00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:17,600 realities that's being kept secret I 843 00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:21,380 don't know is that there is ample 844 00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:23,300 evidence of somebody messing with our 845 00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:27,440 genetics in at the beginnings of our our 846 00:36:32,830 --> 00:36:29,660 species I mean there when the human 847 00:36:35,050 --> 00:36:32,840 genome was mapped in 2004 there were 223 848 00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:35,060 genes it shouldn't be there if evolution 849 00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:36,950 as we understand it is correct somebody 850 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:39,710 it's like somebody put them there 851 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:41,930 we are very ill adapted to our own 852 00:36:46,210 --> 00:36:43,580 environment I mean what we're standing 853 00:36:48,610 --> 00:36:46,220 upright I mean we are generals and our 854 00:36:52,930 --> 00:36:48,620 stomachs as exposed that we should be on 855 00:36:55,090 --> 00:36:52,940 all fours we don't fit here somehow so 856 00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,100 it's like if you're gonna tell me 857 00:36:58,930 --> 00:36:56,720 somebody messed with us I would have no 858 00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:58,940 trouble believing that and the question 859 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:01,520 is who or what and and for what 860 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:03,530 you know there's ample evidence of 861 00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:06,170 incursions as von Daniken has mentioned 862 00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,960 I mean they're things like that 863 00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:09,920 disjointedness in space and time 864 00:37:14,830 --> 00:37:12,020 crossing of world boundaries in the 865 00:37:16,690 --> 00:37:14,840 inter you know in into interaction of 866 00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:16,700 species so you shouldn't interact and 867 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:19,070 all these things are all possible but 868 00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:22,210 what really makes me wonder is were we 869 00:37:29,590 --> 00:37:25,670 messed with by parasitical entities who 870 00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:29,600 created us as the farmers to eat yeah to 871 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:32,780 farm maybe not to eat us physically 872 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:34,250 although who knows a lot of awful lot of 873 00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:37,530 people disappear and we want to get nuts 874 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:39,630 either but we have to consider the 875 00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:42,770 possibility that we may be a cattle race 876 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:45,270 for a lack of a better term being raised 877 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:47,490 for the our food value you know I was 878 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:49,470 thinking about that the other day and I 879 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:52,250 realized that if that statement is true 880 00:37:58,100 --> 00:37:55,370 then how come we can be so positive 881 00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:58,110 because there's another side to the rent 882 00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:59,940 to the story to the record I guess the 883 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:01,980 vinyls coming back so people know what I 884 00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:04,890 mean there's another side to that there 885 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:07,860 we have encountered so many wonderful 886 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:10,650 positive I'm not gonna call them angels 887 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:11,850 that's what you could you could you 888 00:38:16,070 --> 00:38:13,710 could come there are creatures like that 889 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:16,080 or anybody who's ever had a miraculous 890 00:38:20,900 --> 00:38:19,530 life saving like I've had twice what 891 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:20,910 would have no problem with the idea of 892 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:22,410 angels and certainly don't they're their 893 00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:23,850 present and all in the whole human 894 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:25,260 consciousness but there are lots of 895 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,770 positive beings out there with whom we 896 00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,480 rub elbows whether we know it or not and 897 00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:32,220 again this is an open system these 898 00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:33,600 worlds they're not particularly closed 899 00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,700 off that's how parasites can get in and 900 00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:37,500 indeed there's far more positive energy 901 00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:40,380 out there and and and the lesson here 902 00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:43,380 may be that it's up to us you often hear 903 00:38:46,850 --> 00:38:44,910 the term the world is what we make it 904 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:46,860 what it really is what we make it maybe 905 00:38:52,130 --> 00:38:48,870 even literally there's speculation 906 00:38:53,330 --> 00:38:52,140 physics that our consciousness or or the 907 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:53,340 consciousness of the buys for this 908 00:38:58,850 --> 00:38:56,730 creates the physical world so it really 909 00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:58,860 is kind of all up to us so don't blame 910 00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:01,020 God when when the goldfish dies you know 911 00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:03,990 I mean the positive nature of reality 912 00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:05,910 really depends on us and I think there's 913 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:08,820 a great lesson in that in my opinion the 914 00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:12,330 parasites are a species a part of nature 915 00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:13,560 just trying to live the way we do 916 00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:14,700 they're not spirits 917 00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:16,590 I've had physical encounters with them 918 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:18,840 and I think it's a matter of just you 919 00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,210 know what we have to repel we find that 920 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:23,520 they are repelled when you have positive 921 00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:26,190 energy and what is that humor and in in 922 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:29,520 a positive sense faith love especially 923 00:39:33,530 --> 00:39:31,290 when you come shoulder to shoulder with 924 00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,540 even strangers you know particularly 925 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:35,400 with your loved ones tell them you love 926 00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:38,400 them now and that don't wait you know 927 00:39:42,110 --> 00:39:40,710 that that's our big prescription for 928 00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:42,120 getting rid of negative entities and 929 00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:48,480 families I would hope that if people 930 00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:50,440 could really believe and know some 931 00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,609 it's the outright reality that God is 932 00:39:58,800 --> 00:39:57,040 real and all of those beings associated 933 00:40:01,650 --> 00:39:58,810 with him that's that's the one that I 934 00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:01,660 would choose yeah let me ask you this 935 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:04,030 you know uh I just of course I have a 936 00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:07,720 certain fondness for Pennsylvania and do 937 00:40:12,780 --> 00:40:10,750 you so that yeah I mean it you know but 938 00:40:15,569 --> 00:40:12,790 a Pittsburgh Steeler fan for 40 years 939 00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:15,579 oh he admits it okay well I love 940 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:17,950 Pennsylvania - I've never had been there 941 00:40:22,349 --> 00:40:19,900 much of before the last 20 years or so 942 00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:22,359 but wonderful when I was pitiful York 943 00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:23,440 but it's okay you know 944 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:26,800 yeah but but but but now let me ask you 945 00:40:31,770 --> 00:40:29,290 this that this you said you're you're 946 00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:31,780 knee-deep in research in that area 947 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:33,400 that's around Pittsburgh western 948 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:35,230 Pennsylvania with that kind of a Bermuda 949 00:40:39,809 --> 00:40:38,410 Triangle II kind of place what are the 950 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:39,819 what are the boundaries of it basically 951 00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:41,530 push it right outside of Pittsburgh con 952 00:40:47,339 --> 00:40:44,200 and then go on down to Ohio okay well 953 00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:47,349 actually it's about a hundred or more 954 00:40:53,579 --> 00:40:50,260 miles north east of Pittsburgh okay it's 955 00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:53,589 not like that's where the wrong trough 956 00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:56,260 goes you know and the geology of this 957 00:41:01,740 --> 00:40:59,680 particular area is very interesting and 958 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:01,750 of course sure we find out that it's 959 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:03,130 kind of the beginning of the Rome trough 960 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:07,270 so there are you name it going on there 961 00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:08,710 I think we've I don't know if we've 962 00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:10,329 talked about this on your show before 963 00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:13,569 but in case we haven't it's we're still 964 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:17,230 pushing the envelope of the area Ben and 965 00:41:22,819 --> 00:41:20,170 I were there in July and pouring rain 966 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:22,829 always pours rain we're there and 967 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:26,950 there's a very interesting well it's a 968 00:41:31,770 --> 00:41:29,410 natural gas harvesting area but there 969 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:31,780 there's some questionable things going I 970 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:34,089 was still looking into that but there is 971 00:41:39,059 --> 00:41:36,190 military activity and the air at least 972 00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:39,069 we have neighborhood meetings with 973 00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:41,260 people up to 20 families will show up 974 00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:43,300 and talk about the Bigfoot experiences 975 00:41:50,430 --> 00:41:48,220 they've had st. cyr way in May of 16 we 976 00:41:53,609 --> 00:41:50,440 started the case had the first Bigfoot 977 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:53,619 experience of our team I had one in 978 00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,530 September of 16 which knocked my socks 979 00:42:01,079 --> 00:41:58,480 off because I didn't expect that I 980 00:42:02,490 --> 00:42:01,089 should know after 47 48 years of being 981 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:02,500 involved in this research the thing 982 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:03,250 never happened 983 00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:07,330 you expect them to yeah and we've got 984 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:08,590 some a lot of interesting photographs 985 00:42:12,990 --> 00:42:10,690 lights in the sky that there's this 986 00:42:16,610 --> 00:42:13,000 shadow people activity Heidi you'll be 987 00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:16,620 delighted to hear in one of the houses 988 00:42:22,110 --> 00:42:19,840 Shane who is gay he goes gangbusters 989 00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:22,120 with these things he's just unnatural he 990 00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:24,940 goes in and they have he he walks in he 991 00:42:29,490 --> 00:42:27,280 scares the heck out of these things the 992 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:29,500 big the big nasty one hasn't been seen 993 00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:31,690 since Shane walked into the house back 994 00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:37,000 in in September of 16 so we're planning 995 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:38,470 a trip we wanted to get out there before 996 00:42:42,090 --> 00:42:40,090 winter started but you know what would 997 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:42,100 out of luck now until spring because 998 00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,130 this is a you know heavy winter kind of 999 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:47,880 area so we'll back out probably in May 1000 00:42:52,890 --> 00:42:50,770 but you name it it's going on everybody 1001 00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:52,900 there was a little and then you remember 1002 00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:55,480 the little girl who came because we gave 1003 00:42:59,160 --> 00:42:57,310 a presentation at this is the second 1004 00:43:01,170 --> 00:42:59,170 neighborhood meeting we've had and she 1005 00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:01,180 was crying and she had had a very 1006 00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:04,270 difficult and scary Bigfoot experience 1007 00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:08,110 just where we were yeah I didn't want to 1008 00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,300 press her because these two weird guys 1009 00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:12,640 with beards from Rhode Island yeah well 1010 00:43:20,190 --> 00:43:15,670 I was talk to us you know I wouldn't 1011 00:43:21,180 --> 00:43:20,200 want to I'm looking for these guys so we 1012 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:21,190 didn't press there and they're there 1013 00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:22,930 this there's another woman who still 1014 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:25,480 can't bring herself to tell tell us what 1015 00:43:31,530 --> 00:43:27,250 and this was a possible abduction 1016 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:31,540 experience okay yeah they're a UFO is 1017 00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:34,720 seen over these places all the time and 1018 00:43:38,100 --> 00:43:36,460 we've got photographs I mean you name it 1019 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:38,110 it's going on here and again this is 1020 00:43:42,780 --> 00:43:41,050 what we call a flap area an area where 1021 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:42,790 there is a multiple multiple 1022 00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:45,490 intersection overwash overlap of 1023 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:47,200 parallel worlds with different laws of 1024 00:43:51,450 --> 00:43:49,270 physics and different kinds of beings 1025 00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:51,460 that we interpret as paranormal 1026 00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:53,590 appearances you couldn't call it an you 1027 00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:55,780 know area because it may be just 1028 00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:02,560 following you guys calling it you know 1029 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:05,860 area sounds kind of musical something it 1030 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:07,480 sounds like the San Luis Valley it 1031 00:44:11,309 --> 00:44:08,890 sounds like the San Luis Valley between 1032 00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:11,319 New Mexico and Colorado yeah yeah 1033 00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:13,460 but all kinds of things have been seen 1034 00:44:19,329 --> 00:44:16,430 there but it's it's not well inhabited 1035 00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,339 enough to to have the witnesses I think 1036 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:21,920 this Pennsylvania situation has I don't 1037 00:44:26,170 --> 00:44:24,290 know did I talk about my Bigfoot 1038 00:44:26,589 --> 00:44:26,180 experience on your show before I do oh 1039 00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:26,599 please 1040 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:28,940 yeah thank you did a long time ago but 1041 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:31,130 I'm not okay well this is it wasn't that 1042 00:44:36,250 --> 00:44:33,430 long ago September of 16 it occurred and 1043 00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:36,260 that this was our second trip out there 1044 00:44:40,839 --> 00:44:37,760 Ben couldn't come in this room but Shane 1045 00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:40,849 CY and I were there and we had been 1046 00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,920 there in May and had gotten some 1047 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,480 photographs of straight a lot of strange 1048 00:44:47,890 --> 00:44:45,920 lights in the sky and this one 1049 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:47,900 particular field that was above the 1050 00:44:54,299 --> 00:44:52,250 house where the main you know sort of 1051 00:44:58,210 --> 00:44:54,309 our headquarters is and we're over there 1052 00:45:01,569 --> 00:44:58,220 we I parked my truck where I had the 1053 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:01,579 previous May and I'm expecting lights at 1054 00:45:06,730 --> 00:45:03,050 camera set up expecting lights in the 1055 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:06,740 sky right and sure enough suddenly this 1056 00:45:12,099 --> 00:45:09,290 is late at night September 16th and I'm 1057 00:45:15,069 --> 00:45:12,109 sorry this voice of mine tonight is um 1058 00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:15,079 was a brilliant moonlit night and I'd 1059 00:45:17,890 --> 00:45:16,400 been out there for hours obviously 1060 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:17,900 something to the right catches my 1061 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:22,010 attention and the passenger side window 1062 00:45:25,569 --> 00:45:23,450 of my truck was open it was kind of 1063 00:45:28,299 --> 00:45:25,579 chilly so I had the other side shut from 1064 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:28,309 through the window I could see about 200 1065 00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:32,530 feet away a huge brown hairy figure 1066 00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:34,790 moving very slowly I could where I 1067 00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,790 remember the huge legs and knees moving 1068 00:45:41,799 --> 00:45:40,160 up and down the two legs up toward the 1069 00:45:43,299 --> 00:45:41,809 center of this field there's a brilliant 1070 00:45:48,299 --> 00:45:43,309 mullah you could see it right right 1071 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:48,309 there I felt at peace I felt privileged 1072 00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:50,930 because this Ben and I we always kind of 1073 00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:53,839 purify ourselves or pray before we go 1074 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:55,430 into a wilderness area particularly and 1075 00:45:59,319 --> 00:45:57,890 I had done that maybe that's why that's 1076 00:46:00,880 --> 00:45:59,329 what I got out of the experience where 1077 00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:00,890 the little girl was skinned out of her 1078 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:05,630 still so I pick up the infrared camera 1079 00:46:09,819 --> 00:46:07,730 take a picture through the cold shut 1080 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:09,829 window so naturally there's no heat 1081 00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:11,690 signature so I went to get out of the 1082 00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:16,790 truck very quietly and my phone rings it 1083 00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:20,240 was Ben's mom closest they ever came to 1084 00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,980 divorce my ringtone was that was 1085 00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:27,200 Lord of the Rings that kind of blasting 1086 00:46:30,730 --> 00:46:29,030 out over the field the middle of the 1087 00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:30,740 night in Pennsylvania and the answer say 1088 00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:32,510 I'm in the middle of a Bigfoot sighting 1089 00:46:38,260 --> 00:46:36,230 somewhat and so there anyway that was 1090 00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:38,270 long gone but the next morning we went 1091 00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:40,430 up and owned actually but just after 1092 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:43,160 that I saw some lights in the tree they 1093 00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:44,810 weren't they did a little weird or 1094 00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:45,950 anything this is looking somebody was 1095 00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:47,150 standing in the ground with flashlights 1096 00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:48,680 isn't what Bigfoot's using flashlights 1097 00:46:53,020 --> 00:46:50,990 huh but I found out the next night what 1098 00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:53,030 that was but in the morning as shading 1099 00:46:57,609 --> 00:46:54,230 they went up he measured everything off 1100 00:46:59,440 --> 00:46:57,619 and we found a huge track of some 1101 00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,450 two-footed thing that not a train was 1102 00:47:03,550 --> 00:47:02,480 dry ground but it was tall grass or 1103 00:47:05,890 --> 00:47:03,560 something something on two legs that 1104 00:47:07,660 --> 00:47:05,900 pushed its way through this grass now at 1105 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:07,670 the neighborhood meeting the next night 1106 00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:11,090 I told this story and a hand went up and 1107 00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:13,340 it was a woman named Melissa who lived 1108 00:47:16,630 --> 00:47:14,660 in the house just on the other side of 1109 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:16,640 the field and she said all those lights 1110 00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:19,490 that that was my son and me we had come 1111 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:21,470 home and we had heard we heard something 1112 00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:23,930 big moving through that field at the 1113 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:27,830 same time I was seeing it and they the 1114 00:47:30,609 --> 00:47:29,330 people are used to this stuff you know 1115 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:30,619 so they went up into the field to see 1116 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:32,570 what it was and it was gone by then I 1117 00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:34,330 guess my wife had chased it away and 1118 00:47:38,170 --> 00:47:36,500 they said they were shining lights I 1119 00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:38,180 said why we shine lights into the trees 1120 00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:40,040 and sometimes they're in trees she said 1121 00:47:44,890 --> 00:47:43,100 so that if it's what it appears to be 1122 00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:44,900 was corroboration from a second a third 1123 00:47:47,980 --> 00:47:47,630 witness of what now hearing what I was 1124 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:47,990 seeing 1125 00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,930 so come we kind of we kind of made notes 1126 00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:53,359 on that one and they see that in that 1127 00:47:58,450 --> 00:47:57,020 area they see the UFO things to their 1128 00:48:00,820 --> 00:47:58,460 house as a matter of fact is having the 1129 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:00,830 shadow people problems and where there 1130 00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:02,090 are strange lights over the house almost 1131 00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,180 every night that's amazing always 1132 00:48:11,109 --> 00:48:07,280 associated shadow people with alien 1133 00:48:13,380 --> 00:48:11,119 beings I mean I got well other planets 1134 00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:13,390 they can still be aliens in different 1135 00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:15,950 laws of physics that's alien to me I 1136 00:48:21,310 --> 00:48:18,950 mean that this big poltergeist case in 1137 00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:21,320 in Bridgeport connected 1974 is working 1138 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:23,660 with the Warrens and and a Catholic 1139 00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,770 priest that was I just had the feel I 1140 00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:29,359 was twenty-one year old seminary student 1141 00:48:34,270 --> 00:48:32,720 these were aliens I don't mean from 1142 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:34,280 other plane but just something utterly 1143 00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:37,250 other yeah there were four 1144 00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:39,590 and war I told ed Warren he didn't 1145 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:41,150 understand what I was saying and because 1146 00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:43,130 these are demons they had to be demon 1147 00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,630 there's and this is where I had one of 1148 00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:45,920 the physical encounters that I was 1149 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:48,110 afraid even to write about for years is 1150 00:48:56,430 --> 00:48:50,170 it totally shattered my belief system 1151 00:49:01,630 --> 00:48:59,050 shakes up the person's reality when you 1152 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:01,640 come across something like that and you 1153 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:03,650 know I think that sometimes the audience 1154 00:49:08,170 --> 00:49:05,930 believes that we were just born to be 1155 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:08,180 strong in these topics just like I think 1156 00:49:18,010 --> 00:49:10,130 we all went through a major shake-up 1157 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:18,020 when we we realized oh my gosh yes we've 1158 00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:20,210 grown let's just put it that way 1159 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:24,800 I hope it's growing I think so anything 1160 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:26,330 expands your perspective I think it's a 1161 00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:28,250 growth experience or can be so you say 1162 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:29,840 that the area starts about a hundred 1163 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:32,630 miles north-northwest or due north of 1164 00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:34,010 Pittsburgh I'm not gonna tell people 1165 00:49:39,610 --> 00:49:36,710 where it is you know but it's you know 1166 00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:39,620 it's in a small city anywhere yeah 1167 00:49:43,810 --> 00:49:41,630 generally but more and more people are 1168 00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:43,820 coming forward and the area is sort of 1169 00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:45,710 spreading it's it's it's it's open 1170 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:48,380 Connie's farm country and it's there are 1171 00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:50,690 a lot of wood Lots you know maybe maybe 1172 00:49:55,810 --> 00:49:54,800 five ten acres it's hilly country but 1173 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:55,820 the question is of you know that 1174 00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:57,290 everybody's seeing Bigfoot I mean where 1175 00:50:00,760 --> 00:49:58,970 where's the population where does it 1176 00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:00,770 come where does it go and as I say you 1177 00:50:05,650 --> 00:50:02,270 have to have a breeding population we 1178 00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,660 figure about 500 in order to to populate 1179 00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:08,240 that area how come you know there been 1180 00:50:11,470 --> 00:50:09,620 people who said if it's appeared right 1181 00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:11,480 in front of the disappeared and to me 1182 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:12,710 that's got multiverse written all over 1183 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:15,170 it these are probably creatures and the 1184 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:17,330 natives will tell you if you can find it 1185 00:50:22,860 --> 00:50:19,250 in natives that these are shapeshifters 1186 00:50:29,590 --> 00:50:25,990 I saw what indoors that was the only 1187 00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:29,600 Bigfoot that I'd ever seen and really up 1188 00:50:34,410 --> 00:50:31,820 to the top of the hour break guys and 1189 00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:36,839 well we're back with Paul and Ben I 1190 00:50:46,339 --> 00:50:38,230 don't know whether I acknowledge Heidi 1191 00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:49,289 but it's a finish that would it happen 1192 00:50:53,059 --> 00:50:51,099 with the Bigfoot the indoor sighting 1193 00:50:55,950 --> 00:50:53,069 just to tell you guys real quick I I 1194 00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,960 used to run a UFO paranormal discussion 1195 00:50:59,220 --> 00:50:57,760 group for a very long time and people 1196 00:51:01,740 --> 00:50:59,230 would often come and think I was a 1197 00:51:02,789 --> 00:51:01,750 psychic I'm like nope but they still 1198 00:51:05,549 --> 00:51:02,799 want me to come over to their house to 1199 00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:05,559 you know see what I feel or whatever I'm 1200 00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:07,480 like oh my gosh and this one lady just 1201 00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:10,089 kept persisting and I'm like for me to 1202 00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,380 come over because something weird was 1203 00:51:15,809 --> 00:51:12,880 going on in her house things were being 1204 00:51:17,759 --> 00:51:15,819 moved and she just got weird vibes and 1205 00:51:20,339 --> 00:51:17,769 things would grab her at night and just 1206 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:20,349 a whole bunch of weird stuff so me and 1207 00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:22,930 my I said I'll go with my friend and so 1208 00:51:27,329 --> 00:51:25,150 we go there and it was like a one or two 1209 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:27,339 bedroom apartment above a bar that's 1210 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:31,150 still standing in Milwaukee and you know 1211 00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:32,890 so second over here this is where I feel 1212 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:34,630 this and this is where this happened and 1213 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:36,250 this one this got moved and I feel like 1214 00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:38,490 something's playing tricks on me and and 1215 00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:41,529 me and my friend were like okay and then 1216 00:51:46,349 --> 00:51:43,109 we go to sit down in her living room and 1217 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:46,359 her couch faced her kitchen and there 1218 00:51:50,279 --> 00:51:48,250 was overhang with the cabinets and the 1219 00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:50,289 kitchen bar and you could kind of look 1220 00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,329 into the kitchen through that and that 1221 00:51:59,400 --> 00:51:55,599 she's talking to us all of a sudden I 1222 00:52:02,670 --> 00:51:59,410 see this thing just shimmy into reality 1223 00:52:04,829 --> 00:52:02,680 in the middle of her kitchen I jump up 1224 00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:04,839 and I'm screaming and pointing Boop of a 1225 00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:08,049 Bigfoot and my friend screams at the 1226 00:52:16,259 --> 00:52:14,230 same time pointing werewolf yes they're 1227 00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:16,269 wolves I mean because we didn't see its 1228 00:52:20,819 --> 00:52:18,220 head because it got cut off with the the 1229 00:52:22,769 --> 00:52:20,829 cabinets in the way and as soon as it 1230 00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:22,779 like like it seemed to lay external like 1231 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:24,700 oh crap they could see me and just like 1232 00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:27,250 heat rising off a road the Mirage looked 1233 00:52:33,779 --> 00:52:31,240 it just disappeared and I mean the woman 1234 00:52:36,839 --> 00:52:33,789 the woman was like what what did you see 1235 00:52:38,730 --> 00:52:36,849 where where where and I mean I still get 1236 00:52:41,269 --> 00:52:38,740 chosen I think about it and I'm like it 1237 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:41,279 looked like cousin it was just shaggy 1238 00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:45,970 grayish just just solid hair and I would 1239 00:52:49,009 --> 00:52:47,099 guess that you know 1240 00:52:52,279 --> 00:52:49,019 I saw the backside of it it's probably 1241 00:52:54,439 --> 00:52:52,289 five seven or something and it was just 1242 00:52:55,969 --> 00:52:54,449 the craziest thing it and her bathroom 1243 00:52:59,209 --> 00:52:55,979 unfortunately was through the kitchen 1244 00:53:02,539 --> 00:52:59,219 and I had to go and I could still feel 1245 00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:02,549 its presence there in the kitchen and it 1246 00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:06,119 was a bit like a threatening feeling it 1247 00:53:12,229 --> 00:53:08,819 was just weird I have never seen such a 1248 00:53:15,739 --> 00:53:12,239 thing before I might suggest some 1249 00:53:17,689 --> 00:53:15,749 possible explanations there up the one 1250 00:53:20,180 --> 00:53:17,699 of the tell-tale signs we look for when 1251 00:53:22,539 --> 00:53:20,190 a world boundary is present and when 1252 00:53:25,579 --> 00:53:22,549 you're looking at what is that shimmery 1253 00:53:30,109 --> 00:53:25,589 of the road kind of look not always but 1254 00:53:31,579 --> 00:53:30,119 but sometimes and of course we have just 1255 00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:31,589 just like a lot of people are afraid of 1256 00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:34,680 particularly pythons I think that may go 1257 00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,599 back to our remote ancestors so we you 1258 00:53:39,769 --> 00:53:38,400 know they would strangle them beneath 1259 00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:39,779 them you know if they were small I don't 1260 00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,680 know but I think there there there are 1261 00:53:47,660 --> 00:53:45,839 deep psychological reasons for our fear 1262 00:53:50,269 --> 00:53:47,670 of these things and of course what the 1263 00:53:51,739 --> 00:53:50,279 electricity and in certain electrical 1264 00:53:56,059 --> 00:53:51,749 fields will make you feel like that 1265 00:54:08,120 --> 00:53:56,069 it'll make you afraid certain sound 1266 00:54:11,410 --> 00:54:08,130 infra infrastructure it but that that 1267 00:54:13,809 --> 00:54:11,420 just sounds like a temporary crossover 1268 00:54:18,380 --> 00:54:13,819 something I've ever heard one yeah it's 1269 00:54:20,769 --> 00:54:18,390 craziness absolutely crazy I don't know 1270 00:54:24,109 --> 00:54:20,779 I've never seen such a thing before and 1271 00:54:28,459 --> 00:54:24,119 hope to not see such a thing like that 1272 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:28,469 not so unexpected you know right crazy 1273 00:54:34,339 --> 00:54:30,690 well there's there's the optional 1274 00:54:36,709 --> 00:54:34,349 exciting a lot as G was you know I've 1275 00:54:38,359 --> 00:54:36,719 got a question for you guys I had an 1276 00:54:41,479 --> 00:54:38,369 experience and I'm not gonna go and said 1277 00:54:44,769 --> 00:54:41,489 too much detail on it because it it's 1278 00:54:49,249 --> 00:54:44,779 just I don't have a category for this 1279 00:54:52,249 --> 00:54:49,259 but I was laying in my bed this was I 1280 00:54:54,049 --> 00:54:52,259 don't know maybe seven years ago and I 1281 00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:54,059 was you know not even going to sleep yet 1282 00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:55,680 just got comfortable just laid on the 1283 00:54:59,410 --> 00:54:57,180 bed and there's like street lights 1284 00:55:05,759 --> 00:54:59,420 coming into my bedroom I'm like 1285 00:55:13,029 --> 00:55:05,769 and all of a sudden a person's face 1286 00:55:16,529 --> 00:55:13,039 showed up their face and disembodied 1287 00:55:20,099 --> 00:55:16,539 face it was like he said he's just spoke 1288 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:20,109 things oh can he essentially told me 1289 00:55:26,799 --> 00:55:22,730 I'll just you know the first thing he 1290 00:55:29,650 --> 00:55:26,809 said was don't trip out don't what 1291 00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:29,660 like don't trip out like don't don't 1292 00:55:35,289 --> 00:55:32,420 flip out just like just and don't say 1293 00:55:39,089 --> 00:55:35,299 anything and then he gave me a message 1294 00:55:46,089 --> 00:55:39,099 that I kind of keep to myself I'm like 1295 00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:46,099 what I have never seen or heard of such 1296 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:49,670 a thing just as solid as anything and it 1297 00:55:56,740 --> 00:55:53,690 was a face of someone who is I don't 1298 00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,750 know he's he's kind of known and I 1299 00:56:01,450 --> 00:55:59,119 didn't know who he was though it was 1300 00:56:03,809 --> 00:56:01,460 just the weirdest thing and I'm I mean 1301 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:03,819 what is that is that that somebody that 1302 00:56:10,509 --> 00:56:07,730 knows how to I don't know teleport an 1303 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:10,519 image of cells I actually have run into 1304 00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:13,130 it this has been since the 70s but 1305 00:56:18,579 --> 00:56:15,710 during an exorcism case we were 1306 00:56:21,249 --> 00:56:18,589 researching the background of this 1307 00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:21,259 person and they were saying that they 1308 00:56:26,499 --> 00:56:23,990 would they got involved in some kind of 1309 00:56:29,019 --> 00:56:26,509 satanic group was supposedly certain 1310 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:29,029 people had the ability to effectively 1311 00:56:34,089 --> 00:56:32,170 use the parallel worlds to travel 1312 00:56:37,390 --> 00:56:34,099 instantaneously to where they already 1313 00:56:38,859 --> 00:56:37,400 were they're in a particular place where 1314 00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,869 they had a deliver a message and you 1315 00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:41,119 actually see a person appear or 1316 00:56:45,730 --> 00:56:44,480 disappear just as sometimes UFOs do 1317 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:45,740 Bigfoot's do and all this sort of thing 1318 00:56:50,829 --> 00:56:48,650 I think this is sort of a a motive I'm 1319 00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:50,839 not to get Harry Potter ish here yeah 1320 00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:54,380 mode of transportation for those who are 1321 00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:56,420 in the know or whatever creatures are 1322 00:57:00,430 --> 00:56:58,130 multiversal in in in their feeding 1323 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:00,440 habits or whatever and that's why things 1324 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:02,210 can appear and disappear so there may be 1325 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:05,690 something to that I just don't even know 1326 00:57:12,819 --> 00:57:08,450 how to category interesting it was a 1327 00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:12,829 positive message well we we specialize 1328 00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:13,270 in things 1329 00:57:18,510 --> 00:57:16,180 can't categorize like one what one term 1330 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:18,520 and just to and that be outdone by our 1331 00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:20,890 good friend Heidi what one term we have 1332 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:25,390 coined is the flashing Nexus okay that's 1333 00:57:30,510 --> 00:57:28,210 and they was explaining that on the air 1334 00:57:34,140 --> 00:57:30,520 the other day I read the first run in 1335 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:34,150 1970 is that 70 70 in the 1970s when a 1336 00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:35,650 man who had been on an operating table 1337 00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,590 came to me and said you know I had he 1338 00:57:41,850 --> 00:57:40,240 talked about out of the body experiences 1339 00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:41,860 I had something that I've never even 1340 00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:45,280 heard of that it has no category to it 1341 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:48,130 and that is he was lying on the table 1342 00:57:51,690 --> 00:57:50,170 and all of a sudden his consciousness he 1343 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:51,700 wasn't even out he was just lying there 1344 00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:56,290 he was the he was the doctor and he kept 1345 00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:57,370 a sense of humor because they said he 1346 00:58:04,350 --> 00:58:00,420 had he had the doctors knowledge all his 1347 00:58:05,730 --> 00:58:04,360 his memories but just for a few seconds 1348 00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:05,740 and he said it was a good thing as he 1349 00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:07,240 was about to start operating on himself 1350 00:58:10,590 --> 00:58:08,140 he's a good thing he had his knowledge 1351 00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:10,600 as well and then all of a sudden he was 1352 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:13,630 the nurse and then then he was somebody 1353 00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,090 driving by in a car outside and he said 1354 00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:18,000 this was as real as its own 1355 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:20,470 consciousness and I didn't know what to 1356 00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:21,610 do with this I've never heard this 1357 00:58:26,220 --> 00:58:22,900 before I figure maybe the guy's just 1358 00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:26,230 just a nut nut ball and then I started 1359 00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:28,270 running into it again and again not not 1360 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:30,910 very commonly and sometimes it was 1361 00:58:33,390 --> 00:58:32,290 somebody's just have it going through 1362 00:58:37,050 --> 00:58:33,400 their waking day and all of a sudden 1363 00:58:40,310 --> 00:58:37,060 there's somebody else and so I came up 1364 00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:40,320 with the term flashing Nexus Nexus being 1365 00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:43,780 the center of the core being of the 1366 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:47,680 biosphere where you perhaps you're your 1367 00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,050 center central life of all your parallel 1368 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:53,440 lives are and you just have some things 1369 00:58:58,260 --> 00:58:55,810 kind of a glitch in you're conscious of 1370 00:59:00,030 --> 00:58:58,270 what you're just flashing consciously 1371 00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:00,040 from one to another so hence the term 1372 00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:04,300 flashing Nexus and I ran into a case 1373 00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:06,670 relatively recently a secondhand but 1374 00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,990 that we put it out on the air in our 1375 00:59:10,530 --> 00:59:09,520 show we'd like to hear more reports of 1376 00:59:13,470 --> 00:59:10,540 this thing if people think it's 1377 00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,480 happening to them okay so I got one for 1378 00:59:18,570 --> 00:59:15,280 you another one okay so I have had 1379 00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:18,580 people write me over the years even 1380 00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:20,350 before I was really getting word out 1381 00:59:26,460 --> 00:59:22,780 there about anything and people you know 1382 00:59:26,980 --> 00:59:26,470 would recognize me from showing up and 1383 00:59:29,470 --> 00:59:26,990 help them 1384 00:59:30,790 --> 00:59:29,480 with something I am not kidding nice it 1385 00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:30,800 was weird 1386 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:33,550 yeah III mean there's just so much more 1387 00:59:39,940 --> 00:59:37,010 that it's taken for a Florida judge 1388 00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:39,950 that's as exotic as that guy who got 1389 00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:42,320 with me but it's it's just so bizarre 1390 00:59:47,470 --> 00:59:45,380 and it just gets stranger and stranger 1391 00:59:48,850 --> 00:59:47,480 and then they'll send me an image of 1392 00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:48,860 themselves and like joy look familiar 1393 00:59:51,010 --> 00:59:50,630 you showed it from my dream why were you 1394 00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:51,020 there 1395 00:59:58,420 --> 00:59:54,920 I don't know it's the multi-verse that 1396 01:00:00,210 --> 00:59:58,430 it's best if we're right and what what 1397 01:00:02,170 --> 01:00:00,220 do we say Ben what's one of our mottos 1398 01:00:03,580 --> 01:00:02,180 explaining the paranormal is not the 1399 01:00:09,850 --> 01:00:03,590 problem it's handling handling the 1400 01:00:14,530 --> 01:00:09,860 explanations to do these things thank 1401 01:00:16,330 --> 01:00:14,540 you do this what what that you used to 1402 01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:16,340 be on Sundays army now muddies are you 1403 01:00:24,370 --> 01:00:20,630 on Sundays now up there in yes we were 1404 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:24,380 in a Monday drive time and they the 1405 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:26,330 state the station manager in his in his 1406 01:00:30,790 --> 01:00:28,610 wisdom and he is one of the most 1407 01:00:33,070 --> 01:00:30,800 intelligent people we know so you're 1408 01:00:35,140 --> 01:00:33,080 gonna do better in a Sunday slot because 1409 01:00:37,210 --> 01:00:35,150 we wanted to do on location broadcasts 1410 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:37,220 and the the station didn't have a staff 1411 01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:40,130 for that on a Monday night so we have 1412 01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:42,550 been able to do all kinds of great stuff 1413 01:00:46,690 --> 01:00:45,110 because it takes ten years off Ben's 1414 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:46,700 life because he had to be the producer 1415 01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:52,730 and recently the worst thing it's Josh's 1416 01:00:57,370 --> 01:00:55,790 problem so but we we went up to New 1417 01:00:59,890 --> 01:00:57,380 Hampshire two years in a row we've done 1418 01:01:01,900 --> 01:00:59,900 live broadcast with the the panel at the 1419 01:01:05,250 --> 01:01:01,910 Exeter UFO festival including Richard 1420 01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,260 Dolan Cathy Mardon and just a fantastic 1421 01:01:09,580 --> 01:01:08,240 deep people have found out about this in 1422 01:01:11,170 --> 01:01:09,590 the local area and because you can't get 1423 01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:11,180 our station in the local area unless you 1424 01:01:16,540 --> 01:01:13,640 listen online and people were coming to 1425 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:16,550 the door that they paid $10 to get in 1426 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:18,650 just just to listen to the show 1427 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:22,010 participate in the audience and we 1428 01:01:24,340 --> 01:01:22,970 didn't know they were going to do that 1429 01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:24,350 but it was for charities the Kiwanis 1430 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:26,300 Club and they said they didn't want to 1431 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:27,290 pay the whole thing but they said would 1432 01:01:30,580 --> 01:01:29,210 you pay ten oh yeah sure so all these 1433 01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:30,590 people are forking over to come and 1434 01:01:37,870 --> 01:01:35,410 illicit or a show you know it's good for 1435 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:37,880 we broadcast from a charity walk in 1436 01:01:42,460 --> 01:01:40,730 Providence that was a riot because the 1437 01:01:44,170 --> 01:01:42,470 the city people in the park didn't 1438 01:01:46,660 --> 01:01:44,180 realize we were still on the air turned 1439 01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:46,670 off turned off power like in the middle 1440 01:01:51,849 --> 01:01:49,670 of the broadcast I never saw you run so 1441 01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:51,859 fast banner after the city truck got to 1442 01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:53,990 turn it back on meanwhile runner cell 1443 01:01:59,260 --> 01:01:57,740 phones communicating with the station so 1444 01:02:02,650 --> 01:01:59,270 we've had our adventures in the 1445 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:02,660 broadcast world sounds like it yes 1446 01:02:06,220 --> 01:02:04,250 whatever it's Sunday night up there as 1447 01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,230 you can get I guess on the internet or I 1448 01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:08,720 guess phi2 yeah yeah it's Sunday 1449 01:02:12,910 --> 01:02:11,119 afternoon noon to one which we thought 1450 01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:12,920 was an awful slot but no it's good 1451 01:02:15,310 --> 01:02:14,030 because especially cuz people are now 1452 01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:15,320 their time zones we have a big 1453 01:02:19,930 --> 01:02:16,790 listenership in Australia for some 1454 01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:19,940 reason in Mexico and mixer it's not that 1455 01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:23,030 different timewise but yeah it's wo n 1456 01:02:27,370 --> 01:02:26,030 it's 12:40 and the a.m. dial and this we 1457 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:27,380 are having a good authority soon to be 1458 01:02:34,930 --> 01:02:31,490 an FM feat as well you can get get a 2 1459 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:34,940 on oh and world wide calm there's a 1460 01:02:41,099 --> 01:02:37,609 website there that will carry it live 1461 01:02:43,780 --> 01:02:41,109 and that's oh em TV icon or the dream 1462 01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:43,790 work the street yes they have multiple 1463 01:02:51,970 --> 01:02:46,430 streams for the different portions of 1464 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:51,980 their their network situation what the 1465 01:02:58,540 --> 01:02:54,290 latest book came out in the city in 16 1466 01:02:59,859 --> 01:02:58,550 or just july of 17 there's just one more 1467 01:03:04,390 --> 01:02:59,869 word on the show if you go to behind the 1468 01:03:07,780 --> 01:03:04,400 paranormal con there 730 hours of shows 1469 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:07,790 we have the time so we're not tenth way 1470 01:03:13,660 --> 01:03:10,250 around the year so they're all there so 1471 01:03:15,130 --> 01:03:13,670 anyway yeah yeah thank you the book the 1472 01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:15,140 the well I've written a bunch of books 1473 01:03:18,250 --> 01:03:17,000 before this but the two books have 1474 01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,260 written together are behind the 1475 01:03:22,809 --> 01:03:19,760 paranormal everything you know is wrong 1476 01:03:24,579 --> 01:03:22,819 that came out from shiver in 2016 and 1477 01:03:27,849 --> 01:03:24,589 events have been out for about a year 1478 01:03:31,059 --> 01:03:27,859 now and then July of this year we had 1479 01:03:33,690 --> 01:03:31,069 behind the paranormal - Bigfoot Mothman 1480 01:03:36,309 --> 01:03:33,700 and monsters you've never heard of so 1481 01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:36,319 the first one is in stores the second 1482 01:03:40,030 --> 01:03:37,790 one we had to bring in a very quickly 1483 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:40,040 shivered let us do it on our own with 1484 01:03:43,870 --> 01:03:42,530 our own long it long existing but 1485 01:03:46,510 --> 01:03:43,880 dormant publishing house and that's 1486 01:03:47,859 --> 01:03:46,520 available on Amazon and Kindle and maybe 1487 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:47,869 in some stores I don't know yet but 1488 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:49,609 that's what still get the marketing 1489 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:51,770 click on that so they're two of them oh 1490 01:03:54,370 --> 01:03:53,810 you're very put writer just like Heidi 1491 01:03:58,570 --> 01:03:54,380 Heidi put 1492 01:04:00,250 --> 01:03:58,580 books every five minutes but no since I 1493 01:04:02,020 --> 01:04:00,260 teamed up with Ben it's been quicker but 1494 01:04:09,010 --> 01:04:02,030 it usually takes me five five years to 1495 01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:09,020 write a book well guys guys we're coming 1496 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:10,880 up to where our last break we'll be 1497 01:04:15,130 --> 01:04:12,770 right back and might check up on one of 1498 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:15,140 my little interesting areas I'll ask you 1499 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:20,350 let's break we'll be back with Paul and 1500 01:04:25,450 --> 01:04:23,210 Ben and I guess I was gonna ask you also 1501 01:04:26,830 --> 01:04:25,460 but the old famous Bridgewater triangle 1502 01:04:28,570 --> 01:04:26,840 because that's always been one of my 1503 01:04:30,070 --> 01:04:28,580 little interesting you know that's right 1504 01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,080 in our neighborhood we'll both of us 1505 01:04:33,730 --> 01:04:32,240 live we live about twelve miles from 1506 01:04:37,470 --> 01:04:33,740 each other and we're not too much 1507 01:04:40,810 --> 01:04:37,480 farther than that the triangle made me 1508 01:04:42,970 --> 01:04:40,820 equidistant from it now yeah yeah is it 1509 01:04:46,450 --> 01:04:42,980 holding its own with phenomenology here 1510 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:46,460 well it is people are you know it's it's 1511 01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:48,170 there's an opinion that it's already 1512 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:49,910 been done to death but we think it's 1513 01:04:54,910 --> 01:04:52,250 just beginning we have a very dear 1514 01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:54,920 friend who is a filmmaker 1515 01:04:59,050 --> 01:04:56,900 Alexander penticoff you should check him 1516 01:05:00,700 --> 01:04:59,060 out he made an excellent excellent 1517 01:05:03,490 --> 01:05:00,710 documentary about the Bridgewater 1518 01:05:04,690 --> 01:05:03,500 triangle then there have been many oh we 1519 01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:04,700 ourselves had some interesting 1520 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:08,420 experiences there over the years at one 1521 01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:10,850 point we were kind of bombing around in 1522 01:05:18,550 --> 01:05:14,420 our four-wheel drive out there and we 1523 01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:18,560 stopped to admire a lovely lake got out 1524 01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:20,390 and we immediately felt as if we were 1525 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:21,950 being watched because this is a state 1526 01:05:26,050 --> 01:05:23,570 park it's a management area so there's 1527 01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:26,060 nobody lives around here did a few and 1528 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:29,300 we just shot some photos into the woods 1529 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:31,490 and sure enough you know you have to be 1530 01:05:36,220 --> 01:05:33,050 very careful and you know I did 1531 01:05:37,540 --> 01:05:36,230 photography in the military and analysis 1532 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:37,550 and stuff and you have to be very 1533 01:05:43,150 --> 01:05:40,970 careful of the play of light on a sunny 1534 01:05:45,130 --> 01:05:43,160 day in the woods okay now there was no 1535 01:05:45,730 --> 01:05:45,140 wind this day either but still you have 1536 01:05:47,410 --> 01:05:45,740 to watch out 1537 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:47,420 but all these there were a couple of 1538 01:05:51,820 --> 01:05:49,250 they looked like figures with flesh 1539 01:05:53,580 --> 01:05:51,830 tones and in this latitude you don't see 1540 01:05:57,700 --> 01:05:53,590 that except for a certain kind of fungi 1541 01:05:59,800 --> 01:05:57,710 these are readily of viewable at New 1542 01:06:02,560 --> 01:05:59,810 England ghosts calm one of our websites 1543 01:06:04,450 --> 01:06:02,570 and just look at cases and the first one 1544 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:04,460 is the Bridgewater triangle cases in New 1545 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:06,770 England anyway and you can 1546 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:10,130 see those pictures so um it did not the 1547 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:13,130 socks off some experts and and then sure 1548 01:06:18,940 --> 01:06:16,850 enough a number of five years later we 1549 01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:18,950 encountered a man who had been walking 1550 01:06:23,230 --> 01:06:20,750 his dog in this area and had seen a 1551 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:23,240 similar figure and was it was they're 1552 01:06:26,620 --> 01:06:25,130 trying to encourage him to come into the 1553 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:26,630 woods and locally these are known as 1554 01:06:33,370 --> 01:06:31,010 puck what geez oh yeah 1555 01:06:38,940 --> 01:06:33,380 and the Algonquian language and a good 1556 01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:38,950 friend a professor from Omaha Alma we'd 1557 01:06:44,410 --> 01:06:42,380 certainly and she was able to point out 1558 01:06:47,050 --> 01:06:44,420 that the the Duncan language has the 1559 01:06:48,670 --> 01:06:47,060 word puck with jij which is where this 1560 01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:48,680 comes from you know little people 1561 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:52,460 essentially and we may have gotten some 1562 01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:54,530 photographs of those and we I've talked 1563 01:06:59,650 --> 01:06:57,410 to witnesses who have encountered them 1564 01:07:02,140 --> 01:06:59,660 and as Ben will tell you the the wampa 1565 01:07:03,490 --> 01:07:02,150 dogs have a try that's part of their 1566 01:07:06,970 --> 01:07:03,500 tribal land but they don't like to stay 1567 01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:06,980 there that's too weird yeah wasn't would 1568 01:07:10,750 --> 01:07:08,480 they have a meeting like once a year or 1569 01:07:12,580 --> 01:07:10,760 something of the kind like that but they 1570 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:12,590 just no one wants to live on it because 1571 01:07:14,410 --> 01:07:13,730 they're just like it's too weird we 1572 01:07:19,660 --> 01:07:14,420 don't want to live here 1573 01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,670 yeah I understand it as I understand it 1574 01:07:22,750 --> 01:07:20,960 instead of going into upstate New York 1575 01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:22,760 the puck why'd you stay in Massachusetts 1576 01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:26,000 don't they well in this case yeah one of 1577 01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:27,500 the things we noticed with flat berries 1578 01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:29,510 is there's there's always some kind of 1579 01:07:35,650 --> 01:07:32,450 military or paramilitary presence that 1580 01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:35,660 we think is you know and now in the 1581 01:07:39,550 --> 01:07:37,670 Bridgewater area we were commenting on 1582 01:07:41,230 --> 01:07:39,560 this very day as we were driving in the 1583 01:07:42,310 --> 01:07:41,240 middle of nowhere and the dirt roads 1584 01:07:44,410 --> 01:07:42,320 that you we haven't run into the 1585 01:07:46,210 --> 01:07:44,420 military here yet sure enough we come 1586 01:07:47,290 --> 01:07:46,220 around a corner onto another dirt road 1587 01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:47,300 the middle of nowhere there's a whole 1588 01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:49,910 line of unmarked it looked like utility 1589 01:07:53,620 --> 01:07:52,160 trucks all these guys and sunglasses 1590 01:07:56,350 --> 01:07:53,630 kind of watching us go by there we're 1591 01:07:59,410 --> 01:07:56,360 knowing no utilities no wires and it was 1592 01:08:05,170 --> 01:07:59,420 so we we'd be able to have something 1593 01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,180 weird there there that was you know I've 1594 01:08:10,570 --> 01:08:07,520 been associated with Special Forces 1595 01:08:12,220 --> 01:08:10,580 people and the stuff like that I wasn't 1596 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:12,230 personally into Special Forces but a lot 1597 01:08:16,539 --> 01:08:14,450 of my friends have been and but I've 1598 01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:16,549 never heard any mentions of deal anybody 1599 01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:18,170 dealing with these issues I wonder what 1600 01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:25,510 you know I had some training as rubbing 1601 01:08:30,669 --> 01:08:28,909 elbows with spooks now and then or 1602 01:08:32,740 --> 01:08:30,679 whatever you know I didn't that my 1603 01:08:36,430 --> 01:08:32,750 clearance was wasn't that high but you 1604 01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,440 know you hear things and I never um you 1605 01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:39,440 know and and everything in intelligence 1606 01:08:44,769 --> 01:08:42,920 mission specific and core core mission 1607 01:08:45,970 --> 01:08:44,779 only and admission specific and 1608 01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:45,980 need-to-know Laurent that's kind of 1609 01:08:52,030 --> 01:08:49,730 thing however you hear rumor so these 1610 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:52,040 guys were I'd never heard really much of 1611 01:08:56,829 --> 01:08:55,489 anything about area 51 or anything like 1612 01:09:00,039 --> 01:08:56,839 that but because that's not the area I 1613 01:09:03,939 --> 01:09:00,049 was working in right particularly in the 1614 01:09:05,979 --> 01:09:03,949 Coast Guard so but but I don't know 1615 01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:05,989 they're it's you know how these things 1616 01:09:11,470 --> 01:09:08,690 are very highly compartmentalized Kevin 1617 01:09:13,090 --> 01:09:11,480 you know you wouldn't know what was 1618 01:09:15,519 --> 01:09:13,100 going on and you wouldn't really hear 1619 01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:15,529 what's going on but you know after 1620 01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:17,630 people that were tired or dying in their 1621 01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:19,540 beds maybe they'll say something but 1622 01:09:24,669 --> 01:09:22,489 back in the day also hobnobbing I did 1623 01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,679 was more like Special Forces people not 1624 01:09:29,769 --> 01:09:26,480 like intelligence people that I guess 1625 01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:29,779 right oh yeah yeah right so yeah and 1626 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:32,150 sometimes they work together sometimes 1627 01:09:37,539 --> 01:09:35,449 they don't but you just people had a 1628 01:09:39,970 --> 01:09:37,549 sense of secrecy in those days now it 1629 01:09:42,519 --> 01:09:39,980 was in the 70s when I was in the first 1630 01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:42,529 time that they kind of realized that you 1631 01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:44,060 really can't keep secrets anymore 1632 01:09:49,629 --> 01:09:45,679 because they saw the internet coming and 1633 01:09:51,340 --> 01:09:49,639 all this so yeah give out false 1634 01:09:53,109 --> 01:09:51,350 information you know accurate 1635 01:09:56,260 --> 01:09:53,119 information from inaccurate sources and 1636 01:09:57,609 --> 01:09:56,270 vice versa and everybody loves a mystery 1637 01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:57,619 and everybody keeps guessing and you 1638 01:10:04,419 --> 01:10:00,560 keep your secrets yeah well you know I 1639 01:10:06,340 --> 01:10:04,429 do remember this this came up just 1640 01:10:08,379 --> 01:10:06,350 recently people were talking about with 1641 01:10:11,500 --> 01:10:08,389 the latest UFO disclosure business and 1642 01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,510 all that G rise even a powerful person 1643 01:10:14,649 --> 01:10:14,000 like Senator Barry Goldwater from the 1644 01:10:16,780 --> 01:10:14,659 past 1645 01:10:18,669 --> 01:10:16,790 he approached when he was a lieutenant 1646 01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:18,679 general in the Air Force to morever 1647 01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:23,300 and Goldwater approached Curtis LeMay I 1648 01:10:25,689 --> 01:10:25,190 guess at the time chairman Joint Chiefs 1649 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:25,699 of Staff 1650 01:10:30,820 --> 01:10:27,530 or else secretary Air Force one of it at 1651 01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:30,830 the time and the chase Goldwater yeah 1652 01:10:36,460 --> 01:10:34,550 but but he that's right but what he did 1653 01:10:38,650 --> 01:10:36,470 goldwater made inquiries on the UFO 1654 01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:38,660 thing and this he did Hershel May 1655 01:10:42,220 --> 01:10:40,580 basically slapped him back down and just 1656 01:10:44,290 --> 01:10:42,230 keep your nose out of it kind of thing 1657 01:10:45,850 --> 01:10:44,300 and kind of a brzeska way and you're 1658 01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:45,860 talking to somebody that's a senator on 1659 01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:47,840 the intelligent Senate Intelligence 1660 01:10:54,220 --> 01:10:51,110 Committee I'm now you know one of the 1661 01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:54,230 main major domos and you know and uh and 1662 01:10:59,860 --> 01:10:57,100 to talk to him like he was a you know a 1663 01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,870 janitor was really wild that he would be 1664 01:11:03,850 --> 01:11:02,000 able to get away with it I mean in other 1665 01:11:05,500 --> 01:11:03,860 words how could how could this be how 1666 01:11:08,350 --> 01:11:05,510 could that be that that distorted to 1667 01:11:11,050 --> 01:11:08,360 somebody Goldwater statue be stature be 1668 01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,060 a total mind his own business 1669 01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:13,520 yeah well there may be something to be 1670 01:11:18,790 --> 01:11:15,470 said for this shadow government idea you 1671 01:11:22,030 --> 01:11:18,800 know that there's a and some are the 1672 01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:22,040 Navy it's always very important in a lot 1673 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:24,160 of these things you know 1674 01:11:32,380 --> 01:11:30,650 old navy I mean well I I heard a few 1675 01:11:34,810 --> 01:11:32,390 things I don't feel comfortable talking 1676 01:11:36,610 --> 01:11:34,820 about but well it's nothing really big 1677 01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:36,620 but you know why they might be be 1678 01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:39,710 involved I don't know it's not that to 1679 01:11:48,190 --> 01:11:46,490 though so uh yeah it's just I don't know 1680 01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:48,200 we can't keep a secret on anything else 1681 01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:50,510 it's weird we could keep this secret you 1682 01:11:53,740 --> 01:11:52,460 have secrets but you know there's a lot 1683 01:11:56,110 --> 01:11:53,750 of information floating around but how 1684 01:11:57,810 --> 01:11:56,120 accurate is it you know it goes back 1685 01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:57,820 right to the beginning of our discussion 1686 01:12:02,620 --> 01:12:00,320 you know I mean that's the thing you 1687 01:12:04,990 --> 01:12:02,630 have what this whole term disinformation 1688 01:12:08,380 --> 01:12:05,000 as is a term that we pay attention to it 1689 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:08,390 works it satisfies a lot of people and 1690 01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:10,490 it's used very heavy isn't that the 1691 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:12,770 truth it's it's disgusting but it's 1692 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:13,970 worked for a very long time 1693 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:15,410 there's a lot of turf in these so you 1694 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:17,930 know slap Clinton they slap Clinton back 1695 01:12:23,050 --> 01:12:19,730 down when he tried to inquire into it 1696 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:23,060 yeah sure did he talk like Sarah 1697 01:12:26,730 --> 01:12:24,650 McLaughlin or wherever name was the 1698 01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:26,740 Washington Post 1699 01:12:32,710 --> 01:12:30,260 it's like this New York Times article I 1700 01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:32,720 mean there that gentleman that came 1701 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:35,630 forward that Lewis Elizondo he came 1702 01:12:47,649 --> 01:12:37,850 forward because he's seeking funding to 1703 01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:50,149 and it's like dude do you think they 1704 01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,780 really pulled the funding away he even 1705 01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:54,000 admitted that he had a successor that 1706 01:12:58,160 --> 01:12:55,860 someone took over his position it's not 1707 01:13:01,580 --> 01:12:58,170 closed and they're obviously not 1708 01:13:04,340 --> 01:13:01,590 disclosing it so Harry Reid and Elizondo 1709 01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,350 about what's really going on I mean 1710 01:13:07,459 --> 01:13:05,760 they're they're seeking they're tapping 1711 01:13:09,649 --> 01:13:07,469 on things but I don't think they're ever 1712 01:13:10,609 --> 01:13:09,659 gonna get the full picture the left hand 1713 01:13:12,050 --> 01:13:10,619 doesn't know what the right hand is 1714 01:13:15,260 --> 01:13:12,060 doing and they do it on purpose and 1715 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:15,270 they're that's well over yep and what we 1716 01:13:20,750 --> 01:13:17,850 may not know nobody may know what's 1717 01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:20,760 really going on and if they do it's 1718 01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,239 probably a handful of people yeah you 1719 01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:26,880 know so what makes for an interesting 1720 01:13:31,970 --> 01:13:29,310 inquiry well listen guys it's been great 1721 01:13:34,729 --> 01:13:31,980 having you I always enjoy it and I hope 1722 01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:34,739 things yeah thanks for joining us oh 1723 01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:36,360 it's always a pleasure indeed 1724 01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:39,510 I love your radio voice best best one I 1725 01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:54,330 know Kevin sure but anyhow listen you 1726 01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:55,770 take care and we'll sure talk to you 1727 01:14:00,020 --> 01:13:57,449 soon very look forward to it 1728 01:14:02,709 --> 01:14:00,030 Indians you guys take care have a great 1729 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:05,330 now uh next week Heidi we're gonna 1730 01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:07,650 actually take a break and we're gonna 1731 01:14:11,540 --> 01:14:09,810 run an archive show and then we're gonna 1732 01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:11,550 have Dan Perkins on the first that's 1733 01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:15,659 who's be in January right yeah cuz it's 1734 01:14:19,879 --> 01:14:17,400 Christmastime so we got to say Merry 1735 01:14:22,629 --> 01:14:19,889 Christmas to everybody well certainly 1736 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:22,639 have a Merry Christmas and I don't know 1737 01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:25,290 one thing I am very certain of is the 1738 01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:29,010 reality of God all that and no matter 1739 01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:31,500 how complex in a situation he's got I 1740 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:34,830 know he's there and Jesus is there and 1741 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:39,050 that's Jesus is no joke as I always say 1742 01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:42,090 and but I mean things basically things 1743 01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:43,860 were instilled in good hands 1744 01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:45,449 you know things a little more complex 1745 01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:47,460 and but there are allusions to that in 1746 01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:50,400 the Bible we'll talk about this Friday 1747 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:52,199 on my show I'm gonna have the physics of 1748 01:14:58,450 --> 01:14:55,489 God author I think it's timely for oh 1749 01:15:00,520 --> 01:14:58,460 that sounds just fine that's absolutely 1750 01:15:03,100 --> 01:15:00,530 recommend their pita or listen to that 1751 01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:03,110 okay well Heidi I guess we better say 1752 01:15:06,190 --> 01:15:05,270 good night Thunder these folks Merry